2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes

[ken robinson]

Thanks Alan for the link . And you are dead on about Dart . Its to bad there block is only for the 427 and 454 racers and the 396 and 402 guys are still left out . Ken R ...

[Ed Fernandez]

Last try.YOU are a bracket racer.We race S/SS.We live by these rules.If you don't like it
tough *****.YOU are a bracket racer.Go break the track owners ball$ where you race about changing it.We don't go on the bracket racing section and instigate what goes on in bracket racing.
Your head must be made out of concrete.You just don't get it.
And no,I won't answer any of your questions.For you it's a moot subject.Get and race a class car and maybe more people on here will be more responsive to your red light rage.

[Ed Wright]

Bill, I feel like the 1st red light rule balances out the distraction of the slower car leaving. Whoever posted about the faster car being able to cure that with a "BLINDER" either does not actually race or has not actually used a blinder. You could not (nor would not want to) use a blinder large enough to completely block out the other lane & car. Tech guys would never let it by even if anybody was stupid enough to try one. Hopefully that was meant as a joke. I leave last some of the time, I don't prefer it. I'm cool like it is. If you loose a lot of bracket races due to 1st red lights you might want to work on your driving.

[bill dedman]

Ed (F.), of course you don't want to answer "any more questions" because you can't.

You never did answer what is fair about a rule that can remove the red light jeopardy from the second car to leave (IF the first car redlights), and why such a lopsided rule should stay, since it's so easy to fix..... and if you can't answer that, then you have no argument.

Do you think that because you run a class car and I run a bracket car, your opinion is any more valid than mine? It's not. The reason it's not is that the procedures involved in staging, and starting a Stock and/or Bracket race, and the resultant red light system vagaries are IDENTICAL.

So, now, tell me how my opinion should carry any less weight than yours?

At least, Ed Wright pointed out a reason for this lopsided situation; he thinks it offsets the "clean tree" that sometimes, the slower car gets. How about when two cars race, and the difference in their dial-ins is just a few hundredths of a second? Where's the "clean tree", then?

It doesn't exist, in that case, but the first redlight rule stays....

Try again, Mr. Wright... that one only works part of the time.

[art leong]

Is this the "kinder gentler" Ed?
I always leave first, And it would be a benefit for me for them to put in a worst redlight rule. BUT.
I have under $20,000 in my whole race operation. Not counting my towing stuff.
I race against cars that have more than that in their motors alone.
If I race a slow superstocker I'm probably in the line of sight with their tree.
If I'm racing a fast superstocker they have to wait about 4 full seconds.
Then come at me on the other end 50 mph faster than me.
It's not a perfect world. But the rule was that way before I built the car,
So as far as I'm concerned leave it alone.

[hemidup]

With all this "red light" racing BS, whatever happened to "green light' racing? lol

[Ed Wright]

Doesn't matter what you think anyway Bill, it's not going to change. I think you just like to argue and have the attention.

[Adger Smith]

I just don't see what the big deal is about the red light. We have raced with it the way it is for about 4 decades. What? We aren't accustomed to it? We don't know what the rule is? OH! we want to change something to confuse the few fans we have left in the stands.
I think I've heard more fast guys say "I just couldn't wait" than the slow guy say they couldn't wait on the tree. So who really has the advantage on the tree? Fast or slow it's usually not the guy with his head in his A**... that has the advantage. Isn't it usually your own fault for a redlite? Now we are putting blame on the system. Let's move on to something constructive, like track conditions and run order.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Adger Smith

I just don't see what the big deal is about the red light. We have raced with it the way it is for about 4 decades. What? We aren't accustomed to it? We don't know what the rule is? OH! we want to change something to confuse the few fans we have left in the stands.
I think I've heard more fast guys say "I just couldn't wait" than the slow guy say they couldn't wait on the tree. So who really has the advantage on the tree? Fast or slow it's usually not the guy with his head in his A**... that has the advantage. Isn't it usually your own fault for a redlite? Now we are putting blame on the system. Let's move on to something constructive, like track conditions and run order.

Yes, Adger, it's been screwing the first driver to leave for 40 years. Don't you think that's long enough? I do... and yes, we're so accustomed to it that it seems "right." Until you really think about it. Took me a long time to realize just how unnecesarily wrong it was/is.

"Isn't it usually your own fault for a redlite?" Absolutely, but is that any reason to deprive the guy in the other lane of his chance to do it even worse? I can't see why everyone shouldn't have the same chance to redlite. Do you? As it is, they don't.

If I am the first to leave, and I redlight, it is the fault of tthe CURRENT system that the second driver will never have his chance to redlight. Been that way for nearly 40 years, BECAUSE they didn't know how to fix it, for a long time.

That's no longer a valid excuse. Now, they know how.

Fixing this would be VERY constructive, and the fans in the stands would have no reason to be confused; only one redlight will show... the worse one, while the win light shows in the other lane. What's confusing about that?

Nothing.

[hemidup]

Originally Posted by Adger Smith

I just don't see what the big deal is about the red light. We have raced with it the way it is for about 4 decades. What? We aren't accustomed to it? We don't know what the rule is? OH! we want to change something to confuse the few fans we have left in the stands.
I think I've heard more fast guys say "I just couldn't wait" than the slow guy say they couldn't wait on the tree. So who really has the advantage on the tree? Fast or slow it's usually not the guy with his head in his A**... that has the advantage. Isn't it usually your own fault for a redlite? Now we are putting blame on the system. Let's move on to something constructive, like track conditions and run order.

Well said Adger.

Let me think back to one of my last races....5 day's of no pay, 4 night's at $105 per night at the local motel, 1200 miles worth of diesel @ 10 mpg and at $3.44 a gallon, plus wear and tear. That was a whole lot of money spent for a -.002 red weekend of fun. But still, I wouldn't have missed it for the world.