2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes

[Adger Smith]

Bill,
I'm breaking one of my own rules with this post.
You, Bill, of all people should know better than go against a standard that has been with the sport from the begenning. yea, i'm calling you an old guy because you and I both remember running on flags. Yes, flags. Ok... Bill think back, way back. What was one of the things a good driver did to trick his opponent into leaving early? Remeber, he would pull to the line and give it a little hop to cause the other guy to jump, then wait on the guy with the flag. I know you have seen it done many times. Like me you have probably done it. What was that little hop? By today's standards it was "The First Red Light" Usually the guy running the flag caught the guy with the "Worst Red Light" because he was the guy that launched and was blowing down the track. Some where back in time someone at NHRA figured that out and guess what, made a rule.. First, not worst. Bill, I've even seen the guy that was on the line start a very slow roll when the "Spot" was Way out there, and the flagger was even farther out.
Bill, it's just going against the standard of our sport to change. The worst thing I can think of is it is just going to confuse the spectators that follow sportsman racing. Gosh we all know we need to simplify things for the spectator, not make it more complicated. Just look at how complicated Comp is for spectators. Not that many understand the CIC system.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by west coast

This thread was about the 2011 rule changes start your own thread on red lighting the worst so we all dont have look at it.

You are 100-percent correct, and I'm sorry. One more and this will be my last post in this thread.

[Peter Ash]

You snooze you lose, you choke you lose. Get over it!

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Adger Smith

Bill,
I'm breaking one of my own rules with this post.
You, Bill, of all people should know better than go against a standard that has been with the sport from the begenning. yea, i'm calling you an old guy because you and I both remember running on flags. Yes, flags. Ok... Bill think back, way back. What was one of the things a good driver did to trick his opponent into leaving early? Remeber, he would pull to the line and give it a little hop to cause the other guy to jump, then wait on the guy with the flag. I know you have seen it done many times. Like me you have probably done it. What was that little hop? By today's standards it was "The First Red Light" Usually the guy running the flag caught the guy with the "Worst Red Light" because he was the guy that launched and was blowing down the track. Some where back in time someone at NHRA figured that out and guess what, made a rule.. First, not worst. Bill, I've even seen the guy that was on the line start a very slow roll when the "Spot" was Way out there, and the flagger was even farther out.
Bill, it's just going against the standard of our sport to change. The worst thing I can think of is it is just going to confuse the spectators that follow sportsman racing. Gosh we all know we need to simplify things for the spectator, not make it more complicated. Just look at how complicated Comp is for spectators. Not that many understand the CIC system.

Adger, you have said some things here that need clarification.

First, this "first red light" rule came about as something that NHRA didn't know how to fix, so they lived with it. Then, they had lived with it so long, it became a :standard" as you call it, but not for any other reason than they at first didn't KNOW how to fix it, and later because we had become so USED to it, that it seemed "right." Hell, it took myself a lot of thought and much deliberation to see anything wrong with it.

But, I finally did see the UNNECESARY downside of it; the free ride to the guy who, simply by luck, wound up racing a slower car (and, the dial-ins can be fractions of a second apart) and benefitted from that first-to-leave car's red light so HE didn't have a chance to redlight, possibly worse than the first car.

If there's anything fair about that, then 2 + 2 = 5.

The spectators will only see ONE redlight and ONE win light. If that confuses them, then maybe they should be at a NASCAR race, I dunno.

Thanks for your comments, Adger and everyone. I, also, am outta here.

Thanks for listening!

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Peter Ash

You snooze you lose, you choke you lose. Get over it!

So when does the second car to leave get HIS chance to choke if the 1st car bulbs?

He gets a free ride.

Not necessary; he may bulb worse than the 1st car did.

Is that not a more fair scenario? Equal red light jeopardy for everyone?

I think so....

Sorry, West Coast, this was too easy to resist...

[jmcarter]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Sorry, West Coast, this was too easy to resist...

West Coast hell, we on the east coast would like you to start a new thread too...LOL

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by jmcarter

West Coast hell, we on the east coast would like you to start a new thread too...LOL

Okee Dokee....

[y2k_ta]

Well I WAS enjoying reading about the 2011 rules updates....

[Bob Shaw]

I agree with Bill 100%.

[bill dedman]

Take THAT, you infidels....