TruSTART looks to level the playing field. - Page 26

MR DERBY CITY · 05-25-2016, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Biondo

After using TruSTART at both Spring Fling events (Vegas and Bristol), I am very happy with both how it performed and with the racer feedback. After watching it in action, I am going to say that 85 to 90% of the racers gave positive feedback.

Thanks to Bob @ Compulink and Jeff @ LVMS for helping it to become a reality.

Peter

A big THANK YOU to Peter and Kyle.......

Michael Beard · 05-25-2016, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Casey Miles

Micheal: Were your stats based on a true start tree race or a race where the faster car got the bye? It will make a difference.

Casey

They were based on existing, standard tree events, as TruStart has only been used at the two Spring Fling events.

4406mopar · 06-10-2016, 05:47 PM

Two Englishtown stock racers may like trustart about now.

Bob Shaw · 06-10-2016, 06:38 PM

I'm sure Great Bend runner up is a trustart fan now also.

7423 · 06-10-2016, 08:38 PM

Oh yeah................Tex Miller ought to be thrilled.

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
1656 Kenneth Miele 1351 Tex Miller
E1 ****WINNER**** -0.041 8.735 154.67 -0.002 10.863 122.67
FS/XX Dial: 8.70 (+/-): 0.035 E/SA Dial: 10.89 (+/-): -0.027
Qualified: #7 8.685 -1.215 #44 10.843 -0.857
Miller went red. Miele will move on to the second round tomorrow.

When will NHRA wake up???????????

Ken Miele · 06-10-2016, 09:34 PM

TrueStart is a must if your looking for fairness. No way did I earn that round. Tex had a way better package then me. In my opinion he was holding just the right amount and with a near perfect light he would have put me on the trailer, even if I was green. I did an absolutely terrible job and don't deserve that round win. I guess I'm just one of those fast guys in the minority that think TrueStart time has come.

Bernie Cunningham · 06-11-2016, 12:07 AM

Kenny, did ya see his red? I believe that makes a difference in the equation so it's impossible to include that data for a debate.
Hell yeah, I'm for it, no worries!

fredjohnston · 06-11-2016, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Miele

TrueStart is a must if your looking for fairness. No way did I earn that round. Tex had a way better package then me. In my opinion he was holding just the right amount and with a near perfect light he would have put me on the trailer, even if I was green. I did an absolutely terrible job and don't deserve that round win. I guess I'm just one of those fast guys in the minority that think TrueStart time has come.

Why would you apologize or say you didn't deserve to win that round?You won that round under current rules (which will probably stay this way until we are all gone). Now go ahead and win the race even if you get 6 more red lights by your opponents and you red light 6 times right behind them, you win!

bill dedman · 06-11-2016, 05:21 PM

I posted on this method, long before it was called TRUSTART several years ago, and asked that same question, repeatedly, usuallly, with nothing but ridicule from Ed Fernandez, who, although he ran a car in a "slow" class and would have benefitted from the change, was steadfastly against it.

Finally, one person suggested that that the first car to leave, enjoying the benefits of a "clean tree," would have that as an advantage and the first red light system as it still exists, would be an equalizing factor.

Other than that, NOBODY ever gave me any legitimate reason. why it should not be changed.

NOBODY,..

And I beat this drum for months... probably years. Long enough that even ~I~ got tired of it. So, I gave up...

It never had any kind of positive response from the people on this board (except for Jim Wahl and a couple more,) until Peter Biondo and Kyle Seipel recently suggested the very same thing.

I was gratified when they did.

As an aside, the whole concept that is TRUSTART came from a bracket racer in Fremont, California (definitely not ME,) named Bob Mikulic. He raced superchaged Studebakers... He explained it to me in detail (I didn't "get it",) back in the 1990's...

It finally sunk in...

Ken Miele · 06-11-2016, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernie Cunningham

Kenny, did ya see his red? I believe that makes a difference in the equation so it's impossible to include that data for a debate.
Hell yeah, I'm for it, no worries!

Hey Bernie, I wish I could have used it as an excuse. I was leaving early no matter what Tex did.

06-10-2016, 05:47 PM	#253
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06-10-2016, 08:38 PM	#255
7423 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 639 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field. Oh yeah................Tex Miller ought to be thrilled. Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed 1656 Kenneth Miele 1351 Tex Miller E1 **WINNER** -0.041 8.735 154.67 -0.002 10.863 122.67 FS/XX Dial: 8.70 (+/-): 0.035 E/SA Dial: 10.89 (+/-): -0.027 Qualified: #7 8.685 -1.215 #44 10.843 -0.857 Miller went red. Miele will move on to the second round tomorrow. When will NHRA wake up???????????

06-10-2016, 09:34 PM	#256
Ken Miele Live Reporter Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,862 Likes: 456 Liked 16,557 Times in 1,523 Posts	Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field. TrueStart is a must if your looking for fairness. No way did I earn that round. Tex had a way better package then me. In my opinion he was holding just the right amount and with a near perfect light he would have put me on the trailer, even if I was green. I did an absolutely terrible job and don't deserve that round win. I guess I'm just one of those fast guys in the minority that think TrueStart time has come.

06-11-2016, 12:07 AM	#257
Bernie Cunningham Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 560 Likes: 45 Liked 52 Times in 17 Posts	Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field. Kenny, did ya see his red? I believe that makes a difference in the equation so it's impossible to include that data for a debate. Hell yeah, I'm for it, no worries! __________________ Bernie Cunningham 7053 STK

06-11-2016, 05:21 PM	#259
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field. I posted on this method, long before it was called TRUSTART several years ago, and asked that same question, repeatedly, usuallly, with nothing but ridicule from Ed Fernandez, who, although he ran a car in a "slow" class and would have benefitted from the change, was steadfastly against it. Finally, one person suggested that that the first car to leave, enjoying the benefits of a "clean tree," would have that as an advantage and the first red light system as it still exists, would be an equalizing factor. Other than that, NOBODY ever gave me any legitimate reason. why it should not be changed. NOBODY,.. And I beat this drum for months... probably years. Long enough that even ~I~ got tired of it. So, I gave up... It never had any kind of positive response from the people on this board (except for Jim Wahl and a couple more,) until Peter Biondo and Kyle Seipel recently suggested the very same thing. I was gratified when they did. As an aside, the whole concept that is TRUSTART came from a bracket racer in Fremont, California (definitely not ME,) named Bob Mikulic. He raced superchaged Studebakers... He explained it to me in detail (I didn't "get it",) back in the 1990's... It finally sunk in... __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 06-12-2016 at 01:04 AM.