Pro funny stock - Page 3

zracer305 · 02-08-2009, 03:56 PM

Pro Stock today is nothing more than Funny Cars with doors. They look nothing like the showroom cars they are resembling. The Chrysler cars are just as bad. I lost my interest back in the early 80's.

I really don't care what size motor they use or that they use dual carbs. That's part of their history from day one. My big problems are if you’re going to use a manual transmission you should have to use a clutch to shift it. Anyone can drive one of these thing and be competive with a little pratice and have the money. They should never have allowed fiberglass bodies. Convert back to the steel bodies and just allow fiberglass doors, frontends that look like the actual nose with working headlights (no more stickers), and deck lid. Just like the rest of NHRA they are our of control.

Bryan Worner · 02-08-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph

I agree with this one. But the whole EFI deal scares the he-- out of me. It could add any where from $200,000.00 to 350,00.00, 400,000.00 range if you had that much and were willing to spend it.
Ralph

Where are you coming up with these figures?? I run EFI on my Super Stocker and have nowhere near that much spent on my system!! And I don't think the Pro Stock systems would be that much different!

Smitty · 02-08-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph

harold martin has been running efi successfully in pro mod for afew years.

How many IHRA national events has he won???

The combination will work, it is a matter of tuning. Pat Musi uses EFI and he has done very well in the NMCA scene. Although he may not have any wins I think he has proven the combo can rus fast with the nitrous guys.

BlueOval Ralph · 02-08-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan Worner

Where are you coming up with these figures?? I run EFI on my Super Stocker and have nowhere near that much spent on my system!! And I don't think the Pro Stock systems would be that much different!

Where are you coming up with these figures??
You looks to as if you don't read well! As I said in earlier posts Actual IRL and Rolex Daytona Prototypes. Two different series and real life experience. Not Stock or Super Stock! Real budgets to do these programs and writing the Purchase orders to pay for them. You can do your Super Stocker for a lot less BUT until regulated this Pro Stock to Spec ECU, Injectors and Throtle Body the sky is the limit. Just go and price the Bosch or PacTel type systems out.

bill dedman · 02-09-2009, 01:18 AM

RE: R & D costs on F.I. systems.... apples/oranges....

For one thing, all drag racers need is "an on/off switch" whereas, cars that must turn corners have throttle sensitivity issues; they must perform at part throttle in such a way that the driver can dictate corner-negotiating behavior that will allow varying degrees of oversteering the car with power. Hanging the tail out with power, so-to-speak.

Drag racers just need to stab it and steer it; keep it in the groove with the throttle wide open continuously. That means that a fuel injection system only has to be engineered to deliver max power at full throttle during the run.... a whole lot less complicated deal than trying to engineer part-throttle driveability into the system.

Bottom line? A lot less expensive R & D...

F.A.S.T. fuel injection systems, and I'm sure several others, have systems that could be easily adapted to Pro Stock motors without breaking the bank. As long as NHRA is going to dictate what carburetor with a specified throttle bore opening that can be legally used (as they have, for many years), why couldn't they dictate a spec. fuel injection system, which would preclude runaway R & D costs?

If they said everyone has to run a F.A.S.T. FI system as it comes from that company, what's the reason that costs would become prohibitive?

Sure, it's a spec, cookie-cutter deal, but no more so than what they have now. Holley Dominators are Holley Dominators... Last time I checked, they all looked pretty much the same....

It's do-able.... but NHRA officials who make policy probably own a bunch of Holley stock.... Now, if we could just get them to buy some stock in a F.I. comany....

Michael Lyons · 02-09-2009, 07:37 AM

Ok so maybe Warren shouldn't be allowed to paint his grill... but I still kinda like PFS :P How bout that Anderson running a 6.58 outta the box on a green racetrack?!!! Hard to imagine a 2 valve pushrod 500 inch motor on gas running that fast... I remember when that woulda been a good run in an alky funny car! And yes the class has evolved and they have to mutate the front ends so that its fair for all makes and screw around with the back of the cars to fit the tires and they need the wing to keep em on the ground because of all the speed... sorry.. And what interest would there be in the class if you slow them down?... I can understand the EFI thing yes, but I kinda like the hood scoops. I mean even the production cars don't look like a 72 camaro anymore... don't blame it on the scoops... I kinda like most the classes in regular drag racing. Some more than others, but I've had a class pulled out from under me and watched another class get pulled out from under my dad so I say leave em alone. You can't please all the people all the time..

impstocker · 02-09-2009, 08:09 AM

In response to zracer305 we have to use the clutch when we shift in Stock Eliminator too? OOPS....

X-TECH MAN · 02-09-2009, 09:04 AM

I notice that the one guy who likes those oversized hood scoopes just happens to run one almost as big as the rest of his car.....lol.

Carl Juliano · 02-09-2009, 09:34 AM

Is the "COT" Pro-Stock car far behind?, I stopped watching NASCAR because of that and the whole Toyota deal.
How about making them use the "new" Camaro, Challenger and Mustang bodies? and use weight breaks to make up for any aero advantage. Just a thought.
I know its only a "shell", but the fact that Toyota is in Funny Car, makes me sick.......just my .02

david ring · 02-09-2009, 11:50 AM

Allyn Armstrong ran EFI on his opel L/A and that went damn fast-somehow I doubt that he spent $300-400 thou on his system (300-400 thousand hours on the dyno maybe knowing how hard Allyn and John work).

02-08-2009, 03:56 PM	#21
zracer305 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 108 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Pro funny stock Pro Stock today is nothing more than Funny Cars with doors. They look nothing like the showroom cars they are resembling. The Chrysler cars are just as bad. I lost my interest back in the early 80's. I really don't care what size motor they use or that they use dual carbs. That's part of their history from day one. My big problems are if you’re going to use a manual transmission you should have to use a clutch to shift it. Anyone can drive one of these thing and be competive with a little pratice and have the money. They should never have allowed fiberglass bodies. Convert back to the steel bodies and just allow fiberglass doors, frontends that look like the actual nose with working headlights (no more stickers), and deck lid. Just like the rest of NHRA they are our of control.

02-09-2009, 01:18 AM	#25
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Pro funny stock RE: R & D costs on F.I. systems.... apples/oranges.... For one thing, all drag racers need is "an on/off switch" whereas, cars that must turn corners have throttle sensitivity issues; they must perform at part throttle in such a way that the driver can dictate corner-negotiating behavior that will allow varying degrees of oversteering the car with power. Hanging the tail out with power, so-to-speak. Drag racers just need to stab it and steer it; keep it in the groove with the throttle wide open continuously. That means that a fuel injection system only has to be engineered to deliver max power at full throttle during the run.... a whole lot less complicated deal than trying to engineer part-throttle driveability into the system. Bottom line? A lot less expensive R & D... F.A.S.T. fuel injection systems, and I'm sure several others, have systems that could be easily adapted to Pro Stock motors without breaking the bank. As long as NHRA is going to dictate what carburetor with a specified throttle bore opening that can be legally used (as they have, for many years), why couldn't they dictate a spec. fuel injection system, which would preclude runaway R & D costs? If they said everyone has to run a F.A.S.T. FI system as it comes from that company, what's the reason that costs would become prohibitive? Sure, it's a spec, cookie-cutter deal, but no more so than what they have now. Holley Dominators are Holley Dominators... Last time I checked, they all looked pretty much the same.... It's do-able.... but NHRA officials who make policy probably own a bunch of Holley stock.... Now, if we could just get them to buy some stock in a F.I. comany.... __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 02-09-2009 at 01:20 AM.

02-09-2009, 07:37 AM	#26
Michael Lyons Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Garden City, MI Posts: 226 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Pro funny stock Ok so maybe Warren shouldn't be allowed to paint his grill... but I still kinda like PFS :P How bout that Anderson running a 6.58 outta the box on a green racetrack?!!! Hard to imagine a 2 valve pushrod 500 inch motor on gas running that fast... I remember when that woulda been a good run in an alky funny car! And yes the class has evolved and they have to mutate the front ends so that its fair for all makes and screw around with the back of the cars to fit the tires and they need the wing to keep em on the ground because of all the speed... sorry.. And what interest would there be in the class if you slow them down?... I can understand the EFI thing yes, but I kinda like the hood scoops. I mean even the production cars don't look like a 72 camaro anymore... don't blame it on the scoops... I kinda like most the classes in regular drag racing. Some more than others, but I've had a class pulled out from under me and watched another class get pulled out from under my dad so I say leave em alone. You can't please all the people all the time..

02-09-2009, 08:09 AM	#27
impstocker Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Wingdale, NY Posts: 302 Likes: 27 Liked 53 Times in 16 Posts	Re: Pro funny stock In response to zracer305 we have to use the clutch when we shift in Stock Eliminator too? OOPS....

02-09-2009, 09:04 AM	#28
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Pro funny stock I notice that the one guy who likes those oversized hood scoopes just happens to run one almost as big as the rest of his car.....lol.

02-09-2009, 09:34 AM	#29
Carl Juliano Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Queens, NYC Posts: 294 Likes: 234 Liked 64 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Pro funny stock Is the "COT" Pro-Stock car far behind?, I stopped watching NASCAR because of that and the whole Toyota deal. How about making them use the "new" Camaro, Challenger and Mustang bodies? and use weight breaks to make up for any aero advantage. Just a thought. I know its only a "shell", but the fact that Toyota is in Funny Car, makes me sick.......just my .02 __________________ Carl Juliano TS 1275 John Juliano SG 151 Carl Sr.

02-09-2009, 11:50 AM	#30
david ring Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Oneonta.,NY Posts: 889 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Pro funny stock Allyn Armstrong ran EFI on his opel L/A and that went damn fast-somehow I doubt that he spent $300-400 thou on his system (300-400 thousand hours on the dyno maybe knowing how hard Allyn and John work).