Combine sticks & automatics

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

How about 1 pound weight breaks starting at 7.0 for AA and going up to 23.0 instead?

I had plans of the same wt breaks. 1 pound breaks with stick and auto together heads up (7 tru 20 somthing) AND allowing 5 hp per wt.break difference for stick vs auto. Example......8 lb break auto car would recieve 40 lb break (8 x 5 hp) over the same class stick car. further down a 15 lb break car (15 x 5 HP) would recieve a 75 break over a same class car with a stick. Same thing through all of the wt. breaks. A 23 lb class break auto car would recieve 115 lb break over a same class car with a stick. Same deal for S/S cars. Maybe 5 HP would not be enough but it was a place to start until it could be fine tuned. Both stick and auto would have the SAME HP factors with this plan. Its a moot point as I dont think a sportsman association is in the cards. Even the mighty NHRA cannot draw a good car counts except for INDY and some Div. 1 races.

[greg fulk]

Hey Michael these guys race togather...& share parts back & forth...(as in tom has had more then 1 of Donnie's carbs on his car I know for a fact) so they can pretty much dial from 1 anothers cars...just the stick car is faster

[Rich67stang]

I would love to run my modified mustang with a stick! I just cannot handle the extra weight. They should get rid of the 5% weight break or make it 5% across the board. ( how about a weight break for an old body style compared to those cobalts!...that was for you S.G.) LOL.








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[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

I had plans of the same wt breaks. 1 pound breaks with stick and auto together heads up AND allowing 5 lb per break difference for stick vs auto. Example......8 lb break auto car would recieve 40 lb break (8 x 5 hp) over the same class stick car. further down a 15 lb break car (15 x 5 HP) would recieve a 75 break over a same class car with a stick. Same thing through all of the wt. breaks. A 23 lb break auto car would recieve 115 lb break over a same class car with a stick. Same deal for S/S cars. Maybe 5 HP would not be enough but it was a place to start until it could be fine tuned. Both stick and auto would have the SAME HP factors with this plan. Its a moot point as I dont think a sportsman association is in the cards. Even the mighty NHRA cannot draw a good car count except for INDY and some Div. 1 races.

...and there you have it. Looks like a plan.

[Tim Kish]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

Aren't there already some Super Stock classes and FWD's that have them combined, and just give a weight break to one trans? Or as someone else said, combine them, let 'em eat, and they'll sort themselves out.

The SS/AH cars are making it work.

[foglize]

but do you really want to have to race Shaun Leblanc for class?

Oh course, I would love to run against him, but I would not put a stick in my car unless they combined the classes. The more cars in a class make it exciting, and I think draw people into a class. If NHRA would put them together next year. I would have a stick, I promise you.


Andy Fogle

[bsa633]

Originally Posted by Tim Kish

The SS/AH cars are making it work.

Yes..execpt it's the Stick cars that get's the break
and the LS1 has a 25hp "break" for sticks right now..will the automatics get the break in the future then? Its probably the way it should be but AHFS has screwed all the numbers up!

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by foglize

but do you really want to have to race Shaun Leblanc for class?

Oh course, I would love to run against him, but I would not put a stick in my car unless they combined the classes. The more cars in a class make it exciting, and I think draw people into a class. If NHRA would put them together next year. I would have a stick, I promise you.


Andy Fogle

now that would be a class final worth watching.

[Ron Ortiz]

1) Lets put stick and autos together.
2) Lets lower the indexes .50
3) Lets set the trigger at ????
4) Lets combine more classes
5) The sponsors do not like too many classes
6) The spectators want to see more heads up runs


1) Dumb idea. If NHRA cannot control it's own AHFS, what makes you think that they will control the combining of sticks/autos. Some classes it might be feasible, but certainly not for others.

2) The only people that want to lower the indexes are the ones that are holding back to protect thier great under factored 1,000 ft lifting combo.

3) See #2. Personaly I would like to see the trigger eliminated, and let the big dogs run say for two years. If you want to protect your combo for two years, your going to get your *** beat alot, time to open her up.

4) There is nothing wrong with the current class setup. There is less cars due to many things economically. Combining classes would create more lopsided heads up runs and turn away more racers.

5) It does not matter how many classes there are. The sponsors have to post a certain amount. If a class is not contested due to no entries, the sponsor still has to pay it, guess where the money goes.

6) What spectators.

As for myself, I will continue to try and work on my stuff to extract the extra two tenths I need to be within five tenths of my competition. ( Bob Shaw's Caddy is not included in this formula)
Oe even better, I will purchase an old dragster chassis, put my motor in it and go Top Fuel. With the field sizes dwindling, I should be able to qualify #16. I will get paid money for qualifying, get time trials, park in nice places, get plenty of media coverage, and I can run it out the back door.

Oh, and as a side note, my favorite posts are the ones that follow when somebody hits the trigger. Others in the same class will start to bitch and whine, and start name calling about how they are being affected. I just love it. Seems that they are a bunch of cry babies that there little combo was affected by someone else. I remember when Dick Moreland and Clayton Wright set the record. They called me up prior to setting it and asked me what they shoud do because they wanted the record but did not want to hurt me. My response was go for it, it is a performance based category. For all of you out there that cry when someone hits your precious under rated car. HA HA HA, Yippie, I just Love it. Go work on your stuff I believe is what they say. And if any of you out there do not like what I post. Too Bad. See me at the track in person so I can personally tell you to get over it.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA Lets fix this, lets fix that

[treessavoy]

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz

1) Lets put stick and autos together.
2) Lets lower the indexes .50
3) Lets set the trigger at ????
4) Lets combine more classes
5) The sponsors do not like too many classes
6) The spectators want to see more heads up runs


1) Dumb idea. If NHRA cannot control it's own AHFS, what makes you think that they will control the combining of sticks/autos. Some classes it might be feasible, but certainly not for others.

2) The only people that want to lower the indexes are the ones that are holding back to protect thier great under factored 1,000 ft lifting combo.

3) See #2. Personaly I would like to see the trigger eliminated, and let the big dogs run say for two years. If you want to protect your combo for two years, your going to get your *** beat alot, time to open her up.

4) There is nothing wrong with the current class setup. There is less cars due to many things economically. Combining classes would create more lopsided heads up runs and turn away more racers.

5) It does not matter how many classes there are. The sponsors have to post a certain amount. If a class is not contested due to no entries, the sponsor still has to pay it, guess where the money goes.

6) What spectators.

As for myself, I will continue to try and work on my stuff to extract the extra two tenths I need to be within five tenths of my competition. ( Bob Shaw's Caddy is not included in this formula)
Oe even better, I will purchase an old dragster chassis, put my motor in it and go Top Fuel. With the field sizes dwindling, I should be able to qualify #16. I will get paid money for qualifying, get time trials, park in nice places, get plenty of media coverage, and I can run it out the back door.

Oh, and as a side note, my favorite posts are the ones that follow when somebody hits the trigger. Others in the same class will start to bitch and whine, and start name calling about how they are being affected. I just love it. Seems that they are a bunch of cry babies that there little combo was affected by someone else. I remember when Dick Moreland and Clayton Wright set the record. They called me up prior to setting it and asked me what they shoud do because they wanted the record but did not want to hurt me. My response was go for it, it is a performance based category. For all of you out there that cry when someone hits your precious under rated car. HA HA HA, Yippie, I just Love it. Go work on your stuff I believe is what they say. And if any of you out there do not like what I post. Too Bad. See me at the track in person so I can personally tell you to get over it.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA Lets fix this, lets fix that

YEAH! What he said!! Amen!

JimR