Clutchless trans

[Bobby Fazio]

I have a better idea, no to co2 shifters in superstock. I mean come on they aren't even allowed in Pro Stock.. Hmm No to transbrakes too (Alright I'm gettin greedy) haha

Anyways, I voted no to clutchless since I can't afford a clutchless trans, Im still running a Doug Nash 4+1 haha

[Ed Carpenter]

If this happens, you macho guys that think your in control of everything are going to sit on the line like dead ducks when your on equal footing with a SS that has a time release activated tranny brake and cuts double O lights at will. What I suggest will make things equal.

Jeff I guess we should tell guys like Brad Zaskowski and Kevin Helms w/o a time released switch on the clutch pedal their dead ducks as you say on the starting line.
Come on Jeff why in the hell would you even consider this. Ed

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by deuces wild

If this happens, you macho guys that think your in control of everything are going to sit on the line like dead ducks when your on equal footing with a SS that has a time release activated tranny brake and cuts double O lights at will. What I suggest will make things equal.

Jeff I guess we should tell guys like Brad Zaskowski and Kevin Helms w/o a time released switch on the clutch pedal their dead ducks as you say on the starting line.
Come on Jeff why in the hell would you even consider this. Ed

Point is made on the assumption NHRA will eventually combine sticks and autos. Current SS auto trans racers have access to MULTIPLE means of releasing their trans brakes at a prescribed time release.
Kevin, Brad and whoever else all have their days (myself included) but on a consistent basis, I would say there are more auto racers that can cut a "00" light more often than any stick racer. Yes, that's only half the battle, the rest is at the finish line.
You don't think NHRA would like to combine the stick & auto classes?

[Ed Carpenter]

Jeff there are alot of fast cars in HA. What do you think would be fair to combine them. Their side will say work harder on your stuff if you can't beat us. We will say auto stuff has caught up to or passed stick stuff. Some guys can afford clutchless trans. I can't. I would never agree to any switch on the pedal. Even if it was allowed I would never run it. That's a person choice. Our index is 10.80 oh wait I mean 10.50. HA is 10.60. Would you want to split it and have it 10.55 for everybody? If they try to combine everyone will complain no matter what. I agree there needs to be more heads up runs. I have never had one and I won't in D4 unless I dropped to G there are a couple cars. I would get smoked in G. There are a number of HA though. So that would increase the chances of a heads up run. By the way Jeff what is min wt on your car for H. later, Ed

[Ed Carpenter]

Jeff Brad Zaskowski finished #4 in national points last year. he had number of good days last year.

[Tim Kish]

Guys like Brad & Kevin are the exception, not the rule - without driver aides like adjustable buttons, etc there are ALOT of racers out there that would be best to just stay home. Same goes for the delay box classes.

From a pure driver vs driver standpoint, none of the driver aides should be allowed. BUT since a large QTY of drivers need all the help they can get (I have an air shifter so I guess put me in that category) they are vocal and NHRA seems to cater to the squeaky wheels in absence of a democratic system.

[Mike Dahl]

I agree with Jeff that NHRA should combine the sticks and autos. I have raced both sticks and autos and clearly there is an unfair advantage for someone who is allowed to launch their car with the release of a button versus the movement of the foot. If there is a debate I would suggest observing what happens when someone gets caught using a transbrake in a "foot brake" class.

As well, and for what it's worth, take a look at the horsepower ratings since the advent of the AHFS. The autos are having horsepower added and for the most part sticks are not. Why? Because the index penalty for having a stick is unequivocally outdated when you consider radial tires, modern three speed transmissions, and the benefit of a 5 to 1 ratio of automatic cars versus stick cars flogging their combinations. I think it's time to consolidate the classes.

[Ed Carpenter]

Right now the 66 Chevy II is rated at 299hp stick /307hp auto for the 327. ed

[SuperStockDodge]

Originally Posted by Mike Dahl

I agree with Jeff that NHRA should combine the sticks and autos. I have raced both sticks and autos and clearly there is an unfair advantage for someone who is allowed to launch their car with the release of a button versus the movement of the foot. If there is a debate I would suggest observing what happens when someone gets caught using a transbrake in a "foot brake" class.

As well, and for what it's worth, take a look at the horsepower ratings since the advent of the AHFS. The autos are having horsepower added and for the most part sticks are not. Why? Because the index penalty for having a stick is unequivocally outdated when you consider radial tires, modern three speed transmissions, and the benefit of a 5 to 1 ratio of automatic cars versus stick cars flogging their combinations. I think it's time to consolidate the classes.

Wow, I can't believe what i am reading.. I thought that is what separated the men from the boys was dropping the clutch vs. moving your foot off a brake pedal or releasing a button for a trans brake. I guess all this BS is past the point of no return (pathetic). I would give anything to go back in time (not even that far back either) when Drag Racing was actually cool and the stick shift Stock & Super Stock cars were raced the way they should be. You automatic racers and "Oh i want a bunch of driver aided gadgets" drivers that pretend that you are true stick shift guys, have fun. It's not going in the right direction and the only ones you can blame, is yourselves.

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by Mike Dahl

I agree with Jeff that NHRA should combine the sticks and autos. I have raced both sticks and autos and clearly there is an unfair advantage for someone who is allowed to launch their car with the release of a button versus the movement of the foot. If there is a debate I would suggest observing what happens when someone gets caught using a transbrake in a "foot brake" class.

As well, and for what it's worth, take a look at the horsepower ratings since the advent of the AHFS. The autos are having horsepower added and for the most part sticks are not. Why? Because the index penalty for having a stick is unequivocally outdated when you consider radial tires, modern three speed transmissions, and the benefit of a 5 to 1 ratio of automatic cars versus stick cars flogging their combinations. I think it's time to consolidate the classes.

Exactly. I can't find any valid reason (today, not twenty years ago) that the index spreads are as much as two tenths apart. I don't care how it's cut, split the difference, go to the top or go to the bottom numbers, as Mike stated, the auto trans racers have covered a lot of ground and there is no longer a need to have a spread. And if that's the case, put 'em all together.
Heads up runs are what I and the fans crave. Less classes is what NHRA wants and the same with sponsors. Pinks all out is popular for a reason!

Ed,
SS/H '70 AMX = 315 x 9.5 + 170 = 3160