Superb Article On Current State of Stock Eliminator - Page 3

NewHemi · 09-10-2010, 08:48 PM

He was also wrong when he said "Remember, these cars are factory produced by Ford and Mopar with all the race equipment, including drivetrain, to go to the track and win."

Ford may send their cars about ready for the track, but the Drag Paks come with "some assembly required" so it takes a lot of work by the owner, (at least in our case)

But I think it shows he could do a bit more homework.

And I will continue to remind you all that Drooze said these were capacle of low 9s, to high 8s and he got ridiculed and laughed at. And it looks like he was only pointing to the tip of the iceberg...

David
The New Hemi Guy

Toby Lang · 09-10-2010, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NewHemi

He was also wrong when he said "Remember, these cars are factory produced by Ford and Mopar with all the race equipment, including drivetrain, to go to the track and win."

Ford may send their cars about ready for the track, but the Drag Paks come with "some assembly required" so it takes a lot of work by the owner, (at least in our case)

But I think it shows he could do a bit more homework.

And I will continue to remind you all that Drooze said these were capacle of low 9s, to high 8s and he got ridiculed and laughed at. And it looks like he was only pointing to the tip of the iceberg...

David
The New Hemi Guy

Well, to be fair he didn't say you could take one straight from the dealer to the track and win. He said they are produced with all the race equipment.

Which car do you think would take less work to get into the 9s in Stock Eliminator: A bone stock 69 Camaro or a DP?

-Toby

Jim Wahl · 09-10-2010, 10:54 PM

Well, for what it's worth, I think with the exception of a couple of things, this article was Dead On! Thanks Jok. Jim

RULER · 09-11-2010, 01:22 AM

It was a great article and the little points that are being attacked are by the people that support these cars and once again you were DEAD ON, this needs to change soon the AHFS will not correct this in the next ten years. How is it that when a new model comes out like the 2010 CJ it recieved a lower HP rating that the under rated 2008 that had one 3.25 hit alreadyl. don't these two share the same engine?

Richard Grant · 09-11-2010, 02:52 PM

Thanks Jok for writing an article that explains the problem many of us have with the new CJ's and DP's. Most of us are only asking for them to be placed in a seperate class until the HP numbers are nearer to the established combos. NHRA did the right thing when the LT1's, LS1's, etc. were dominating many stock classes. Let's hope it happens in this case also.

340Cuda · 09-12-2010, 10:14 AM

I guess the last thing needed is more classes, but perhaps cars that are not naturally aspirated should be in another group of classes in both Stock and Super Stock. I may have missed it but I have not seen this suggested. Might be easier than FX

Those blown Fords have always been a problem. How many remember Parham and Payne? :-) However they probably did have to work harder to get where they were.

Bill

BlueOval Ralph · 09-12-2010, 11:58 AM

Parham and Payne? :-) 57 Ford 312 Ford as I remember Payne ended up at Ford Engineering sometime aroud 1970 to 1980??? I had run into hime as he lived in the Downriver area.

Dgal · 09-12-2010, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 340Cuda

I guess the last thing needed is more classes, but perhaps cars that are not naturally aspirated should be in another group of classes in both Stock and Super Stock. I may have missed it but I have not seen this suggested. Might be easier than FX

Those blown Fords have always been a problem. How many remember Parham and Payne? :-) However they probably did have to work harder to get where they were.

Bill

That begs the question as to what you do with the Drag Paks? The FX class covers both cars and eventual GM offerings.

Don

340Cuda · 09-13-2010, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dgal

That begs the question as to what you do with the Drag Paks? The FX class covers both cars and eventual GM offerings.

Don

A very good point, however I think they (DPs) could be more easier factored and policed than the blown cars.

Bill

art leong · 09-13-2010, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Parker

DP and CJ are all bogus. Art, don't you run a bogus combo. I look at what people have done with the other cars they have run. Can not make them run, but now they are top qualifiers. Yea right. Most of us have worked hard on our cars and made them run good. We do not relie on NHRA for a soft HP rating. And that is the trruth, like it or not!!!!!!!

Yeah I've always run "bogus combos" 1970 RT Challenger convertible (hemi), 1987 Dodge Shadow turbo I. (Real bogus they only made milliuons of them LOL) 1991 Dodge Spirit ES (another rare find LOL)
And last but not least the rareest of them all a Dodge Neon. Do you realize the only way you could get one was to buy it. You had to be one of those special people with real money."The inhumanity of it all"

LOL LOL

09-10-2010, 08:48 PM	#21
NewHemi Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 472 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Superb Article On Current State of Stock Eliminator He was also wrong when he said "Remember, these cars are factory produced by Ford and Mopar with all the race equipment, including drivetrain, to go to the track and win." Ford may send their cars about ready for the track, but the Drag Paks come with "some assembly required" so it takes a lot of work by the owner, (at least in our case) But I think it shows he could do a bit more homework. And I will continue to remind you all that Drooze said these were capacle of low 9s, to high 8s and he got ridiculed and laughed at. And it looks like he was only pointing to the tip of the iceberg... David The New Hemi Guy

09-10-2010, 10:54 PM	#23
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 667 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: Superb Article On Current State of Stock Eliminator Well, for what it's worth, I think with the exception of a couple of things, this article was Dead On! Thanks Jok. Jim __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.

09-11-2010, 01:22 AM	#24
RULER Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 222 Likes: 15 Liked 58 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Superb Article On Current State of Stock Eliminator It was a great article and the little points that are being attacked are by the people that support these cars and once again you were DEAD ON, this needs to change soon the AHFS will not correct this in the next ten years. How is it that when a new model comes out like the 2010 CJ it recieved a lower HP rating that the under rated 2008 that had one 3.25 hit alreadyl. don't these two share the same engine?

09-11-2010, 02:52 PM	#25
Richard Grant Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West Monroe, La. Posts: 301 Likes: 9 Liked 13 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Superb Article On Current State of Stock Eliminator Thanks Jok for writing an article that explains the problem many of us have with the new CJ's and DP's. Most of us are only asking for them to be placed in a seperate class until the HP numbers are nearer to the established combos. NHRA did the right thing when the LT1's, LS1's, etc. were dominating many stock classes. Let's hope it happens in this case also. __________________ Richard Grant 4988 STK

09-12-2010, 10:14 AM	#26
340Cuda VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 1,672 Likes: 3,866 Liked 802 Times in 339 Posts	Re: Superb Article On Current State of Stock Eliminator I guess the last thing needed is more classes, but perhaps cars that are not naturally aspirated should be in another group of classes in both Stock and Super Stock. I may have missed it but I have not seen this suggested. Might be easier than FX Those blown Fords have always been a problem. How many remember Parham and Payne? :-) However they probably did have to work harder to get where they were. Bill

09-12-2010, 11:58 AM	#27
BlueOval Ralph Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 852 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Superb Article On Current State of Stock Eliminator Parham and Payne? :-) 57 Ford 312 Ford as I remember Payne ended up at Ford Engineering sometime aroud 1970 to 1980??? I had run into hime as he lived in the Downriver area.