SS field set at Crandall IHRA Event????? - Page 3

THE LEGEND · 09-13-2010, 04:10 PM

Marty,
I know the IHRA officials will do a visual on any car if asked. May not be the PPROPER way but they will look.
Chip

j gardiner · 09-13-2010, 04:14 PM

I am not referring to anybody in particular, but the real reason racers don't show up is because they look at the ihra races as second rate. They talk about the crate motor cars, they say there are no races close by, they talk about the payout. They complain about nhra and how they cater to the pros and how they disrespect the sportsman A couple years ago when ihra had big sponsors and they had "real" top fuelers,funny cars,loads of pro mods and pro stocks they also had strong sportsman car counts. Lets just say next year ihra had a national event and John Force and all his cars were there, Schumacher and all his cars were there,and on and on you would double the sportsman car counts. People say they don't like the big races, but how many people show up at div. just to get a grade point so they can go to a national.

smracer2002 · 09-13-2010, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deuces wild

RJ we were there (wow that makes 3) but we hurt the motor friday night and headed home saturday. Ed

Again?

Same as SAR?

Hope its not too bad.

I was going to go and shoot but the
Crandall track photographer has pretty much
made it clear he doesnt want me there.

X-TECH MAN · 09-13-2010, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty Burke

Michael,
I would like to see them do a fuel check. I raced three of the four divisionals at Crandall
and nobody did a fuel check. Also during tech inspection the inspectors never looked at my carb or heads to see if they were correct. Now I do understand that they might have
just figured they were correct, but I would feel more comfortable knowing that every car
really got inspected. This would be an easy fix.
I would like to reiterate, that I really believe we must support both sanctioning bodies.

RJ: I believe the motor is hurt real bad. I haven't pulled the head yet, but they are the F5 heads!

Marty

Thats because they (IHRA)only have one, two or 3 guys at some races who even know what a correct carb or head looks like. How many are being DQ'ed for bogus heads and intakes at the NHRA races or has 100 % of the field started doing this game? THAT is the biggest complaint about IHRA. Lack of tech inspections and fuel checks. It seems that they only fuel check at the National events. When I came back in 1990 after a lay off of several years I DQ'ed 14 stockers and S/S cars at Darlinington S.C. which was the first race of the year and a few were NHRA regulars. Its a hard job and when you have no help its even worse. Hank, Jim and Danny try to do thier best but they cant be in several places at once. IHRA has them doing other jobs during the race and the sechedule leaves NO room for tear downs at National events. Then when I worked my last race I was told there would be NO tear downs in Top Stock so I was done ! Its IHRA's managements fault. Not the guys who are trying to do a good job. Then again....when we did bust balls most everyone complained about that so how can you win?

cjackson4431 · 09-13-2010, 04:21 PM

I personally like IHRA the best because it's a more layed back atmosphere. They don't hound you about little crap that don't matter. And Marty, why do a fuel check if it isn't a heads up run.....would only be an advantage if it was heads up....other wise just a bracket race.....It feels like to much of a job to go to NHRA races and more of a vacation to race IHRA.

Michael Beard · 09-13-2010, 04:38 PM

I finally found entry fee/payout info for at least NHRA Div. 1 & 2 events...

Let's look at two events in the same region... Just had 38 Stockers at Atlanta, 42 at Darlington, so let's go off of 40 cars in Stock
NHRA Div. 2... $160/enter (Test n' Tune: $100. 3 Days to complete 1 race = extra time off work)

Winner $1,000
Runner-Up $500
Rd 5 loser $150 (-$10 Net)
Rd 4 loser $125 (-$35 Net)
Rd 3 loser $100 (-$60 Net)
35% payback of entry fees.

IHRA Div. 2... $135/enter (Test n' Tune: $25. Can run 2 races in 2 days.)
Winner $1,000
Runner-Up $400
Rd 5 loser $160 (+$25 Net)
Rd 4 loser $120 (-$15 Net)
Rd 3 loser $80 (-$55 Net)
40% payback of entry fees.

Looks like the only real differences are contingency, which only affects 2 racers, and the number of days involved. Contingency is a self-fulfilling prophecy/catch-22/chicken or the egg deal. Sponsors go where the racers are, racers go where the sponsors are.

So, sorry, "short payout" is not a valid argument.

smracer2002 · 09-13-2010, 05:34 PM

Dammit MB,quit using facts to back up your viewpoint.

THE LEGEND · 09-13-2010, 06:15 PM

When I was in stock IHRA did fuel check heads up runs at divisionals.

They would also do a terdown when you protested but you better be ready to teardown too if the guy is found legal.

They always did teardown if you were top ten or set a record.

Ed Carpenter · 09-13-2010, 07:53 PM

A few years ago IHRA did fuel check, weighed after each run, and sealed the motor(head to block and carb to intake) after tech. Now they don't do it anymore. I don't know why. I was told to set a record to show up with a head off.

For those asking I have water in the oil and it looks like it broke a valve. I'll know later this week when I tear it down.

j gardiner · 09-13-2010, 08:31 PM

You can explain it 20 different ways, and all of them might perfect sense. It's not about fuel checks or tech inspections or the purse. A good many stock and super stock racers are snobs about the racing they do. They look down there nose at bracket racing and they look down there nose at racing ihra events. We have guys who live within an hour of budds creek who won't run the ihra races there, but will show up 2 weeks later for a test n tune. All that other stuff is just excuses, they just aren't going to race ihra.

09-13-2010, 04:10 PM	#21
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: SS field set at Crandall IHRA Event????? Marty, I know the IHRA officials will do a visual on any car if asked. May not be the PPROPER way but they will look. Chip

09-13-2010, 04:14 PM	#22
j gardiner Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: waldorf Posts: 220 Likes: 14 Liked 53 Times in 28 Posts	Re: SS field set at Crandall IHRA Event????? I am not referring to anybody in particular, but the real reason racers don't show up is because they look at the ihra races as second rate. They talk about the crate motor cars, they say there are no races close by, they talk about the payout. They complain about nhra and how they cater to the pros and how they disrespect the sportsman A couple years ago when ihra had big sponsors and they had "real" top fuelers,funny cars,loads of pro mods and pro stocks they also had strong sportsman car counts. Lets just say next year ihra had a national event and John Force and all his cars were there, Schumacher and all his cars were there,and on and on you would double the sportsman car counts. People say they don't like the big races, but how many people show up at div. just to get a grade point so they can go to a national.

09-13-2010, 04:21 PM	#25
cjackson4431 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Monroe Posts: 11 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: SS field set at Crandall IHRA Event????? I personally like IHRA the best because it's a more layed back atmosphere. They don't hound you about little crap that don't matter. And Marty, why do a fuel check if it isn't a heads up run.....would only be an advantage if it was heads up....other wise just a bracket race.....It feels like to much of a job to go to NHRA races and more of a vacation to race IHRA.

09-13-2010, 04:38 PM	#26
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: SS field set at Crandall IHRA Event????? I finally found entry fee/payout info for at least NHRA Div. 1 & 2 events... Let's look at two events in the same region... Just had 38 Stockers at Atlanta, 42 at Darlington, so let's go off of 40 cars in Stock NHRA Div. 2... $160/enter (Test n' Tune: $100. 3 Days to complete 1 race = extra time off work) Winner $1,000 Runner-Up $500 Rd 5 loser $150 (-$10 Net) Rd 4 loser $125 (-$35 Net) Rd 3 loser $100 (-$60 Net) 35% payback of entry fees. IHRA Div. 2... $135/enter (Test n' Tune: $25. Can run 2 races in 2 days.) Winner $1,000 Runner-Up $400 Rd 5 loser $160 (+$25 Net) Rd 4 loser $120 (-$15 Net) Rd 3 loser $80 (-$55 Net) 40% payback of entry fees. Looks like the only real differences are contingency, which only affects 2 racers, and the number of days involved. Contingency is a self-fulfilling prophecy/catch-22/chicken or the egg deal. Sponsors go where the racers are, racers go where the sponsors are. So, sorry, "short payout" is not a valid argument. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

09-13-2010, 05:34 PM	#27
smracer2002 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: So Tx. USA Posts: 92 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: SS field set at Crandall IHRA Event????? Dammit MB,quit using facts to back up your viewpoint. __________________ First On Race Day

09-13-2010, 06:15 PM	#28
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: SS field set at Crandall IHRA Event????? When I was in stock IHRA did fuel check heads up runs at divisionals. They would also do a terdown when you protested but you better be ready to teardown too if the guy is found legal. They always did teardown if you were top ten or set a record.

09-13-2010, 07:53 PM	#29
Ed Carpenter Live Reporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dripping Springs, Tx Posts: 2,709 Likes: 186 Liked 520 Times in 132 Posts	Re: SS field set at Crandall IHRA Event????? A few years ago IHRA did fuel check, weighed after each run, and sealed the motor(head to block and carb to intake) after tech. Now they don't do it anymore. I don't know why. I was told to set a record to show up with a head off. For those asking I have water in the oil and it looks like it broke a valve. I'll know later this week when I tear it down. __________________ Ed Carpenter 2005 Chevy Cobalt A/SM Race Engine Development

09-13-2010, 08:31 PM	#30
j gardiner Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: waldorf Posts: 220 Likes: 14 Liked 53 Times in 28 Posts	Re: SS field set at Crandall IHRA Event????? You can explain it 20 different ways, and all of them might perfect sense. It's not about fuel checks or tech inspections or the purse. A good many stock and super stock racers are snobs about the racing they do. They look down there nose at bracket racing and they look down there nose at racing ihra events. We have guys who live within an hour of budds creek who won't run the ihra races there, but will show up 2 weeks later for a test n tune. All that other stuff is just excuses, they just aren't going to race ihra.