Idea????? Do away with the breakout!!!! - Page 3

Ed Wright · 11-28-2010, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony Janes

How about no heads up in the eliminator? Just dial it!

I would say h#ll no!

larry dowty · 11-28-2010, 02:05 PM

art what do you say to the 50% of guys that run .5 tenths under thanks for coming see you next time you have no chance off winning EVER.

Rich Biebel · 11-28-2010, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

I just put my key in the Nuke!

Looks like you might not be the only one with his key in the lock Billy......

If anyone needs parts for a KIA, better get them soon.....there might be a shortage coming.....

Raw, LIVE octopus eaters ain't right in the head anyway.....

BPotts · 11-28-2010, 06:42 PM

If you want to race like this go run Comp. See how long you can afford that. It would kill SS and Stock.

Ed Wright · 11-28-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by larry dowty

art what do you say to the 50% of guys that run .5 tenths under thanks for coming see you next time you have no chance off winning EVER.

There would be almost no car count. Can't just do away with break outs.

Mike Carr · 11-28-2010, 08:50 PM

Yes, car counts would suffer tremendously.

Back in October 1998 at the Dutch Classic, they did a special race. Sign up, pay the fee ($20 or $25). Top eight reaction times of those who signed up got to race. Payout was something like 40% winner, 20% r/u, 10% each semi and 20% to the track or NHRA, I can;t remember. There were about 20 cars or so that signed up.

In the spring of '99, at the first two Div 1 Opens (Delmar and Atco) and the LODRS race at Maple Grove, they did it again. This time, it was 16 cars, for the quickest under the index cars. Race was run with a CIC. I believe the CIC was the average of the field, and went into effect for first round. The car counts in S/S at those races were five, nine and seven. Stock didn't draw much better. Point is, trying to run S/SS racing like Comp will kill it.

Ed Fernandez · 11-28-2010, 09:55 PM

OK now that we've gone through this attempt to kill S/SS what's next on the totem pole.Step right up.

rowdyboys31 · 11-28-2010, 10:17 PM

Art, I think you have a good ideal, But I'd change couple little things. Here we go: lower index's 4 tenths or maybe 5 tenths! #2 Ahfs trigger would work like this, run -.05 under new index get 5hp on Monday ,run -.10 under get 10hp on , etc. etc. run a second under get a 100hp every run counts adjustment every Monday. But to be fair, If you run -.10 under on run #1, -.50 under on run #2 and run -.30 on run #3 you would only get 50hp on Monday !! Now that works for me, Maybe just maybe by the time the Indy points meet rolls around I could run the $200 entry bonus race with no breakout and now who care's about the points meet!! 70 cars@ $200 = $14,000 WOW what a payday? LOL

PONTIAC'S REVENGE · 11-29-2010, 12:45 PM

Don't take it away, just limit it! Go to .75 or 1.0 weight breaks! This would increase the headsup runs and mix it up a bit. That way u'd have to keep on your headsup toes a little more. This would bring the performance equation to the rounds. It would also limit some of the bracket racing game playing.

It's like when they put the 3 point shot into the NCAA bball, it brought the sharpshooters back in the game. Ha!

Stacy

PONTIAC'S REVENGE · 11-29-2010, 12:58 PM

AHFS would definitely have to change as well, that is so unscientific and statistically incorrect its pitiful. You can't average runs, it skews the curve. You have to do a standard deviation, much more statistically correct. My bro has advocated this FACT since they came out with it.

I'm just a washer salesman and I know that!

With the more heads up runs, this would have to be improved.

Stacy

11-28-2010, 02:05 PM	#22
larry dowty Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: chewelah wa Posts: 283 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Idea????? Do away with the breakout!!!! art what do you say to the 50% of guys that run .5 tenths under thanks for coming see you next time you have no chance off winning EVER. __________________ larry dowty 6388 SS

11-28-2010, 06:42 PM	#24
BPotts Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Alpharetta, GA Posts: 84 Likes: 32 Liked 14 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Idea????? Do away with the breakout!!!! If you want to race like this go run Comp. See how long you can afford that. It would kill SS and Stock.

11-28-2010, 08:50 PM	#26
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Idea????? Do away with the breakout!!!! Yes, car counts would suffer tremendously. Back in October 1998 at the Dutch Classic, they did a special race. Sign up, pay the fee ($20 or $25). Top eight reaction times of those who signed up got to race. Payout was something like 40% winner, 20% r/u, 10% each semi and 20% to the track or NHRA, I can;t remember. There were about 20 cars or so that signed up. In the spring of '99, at the first two Div 1 Opens (Delmar and Atco) and the LODRS race at Maple Grove, they did it again. This time, it was 16 cars, for the quickest under the index cars. Race was run with a CIC. I believe the CIC was the average of the field, and went into effect for first round. The car counts in S/S at those races were five, nine and seven. Stock didn't draw much better. Point is, trying to run S/SS racing like Comp will kill it. __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

11-28-2010, 09:55 PM	#27
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Idea????? Do away with the breakout!!!! OK now that we've gone through this attempt to kill S/SS what's next on the totem pole.Step right up. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

11-28-2010, 10:17 PM	#28
rowdyboys31 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 36 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Idea????? Do away with the breakout!!!! Art, I think you have a good ideal, But I'd change couple little things. Here we go: lower index's 4 tenths or maybe 5 tenths! #2 Ahfs trigger would work like this, run -.05 under new index get 5hp on Monday ,run -.10 under get 10hp on , etc. etc. run a second under get a 100hp every run counts adjustment every Monday. But to be fair, If you run -.10 under on run #1, -.50 under on run #2 and run -.30 on run #3 you would only get 50hp on Monday !! Now that works for me, Maybe just maybe by the time the Indy points meet rolls around I could run the $200 entry bonus race with no breakout and now who care's about the points meet!! 70 cars@ $200 = $14,000 WOW what a payday? LOL

11-29-2010, 12:45 PM	#29
PONTIAC'S REVENGE Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: CARMEL, INDIANA Posts: 141 Likes: 69 Liked 48 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Idea????? Do away with the breakout!!!! Don't take it away, just limit it! Go to .75 or 1.0 weight breaks! This would increase the headsup runs and mix it up a bit. That way u'd have to keep on your headsup toes a little more. This would bring the performance equation to the rounds. It would also limit some of the bracket racing game playing. It's like when they put the 3 point shot into the NCAA bball, it brought the sharpshooters back in the game. Ha! Stacy Last edited by PONTIAC'S REVENGE; 11-29-2010 at 12:52 PM.

11-29-2010, 12:58 PM	#30
PONTIAC'S REVENGE Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: CARMEL, INDIANA Posts: 141 Likes: 69 Liked 48 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Idea????? Do away with the breakout!!!! AHFS would definitely have to change as well, that is so unscientific and statistically incorrect its pitiful. You can't average runs, it skews the curve. You have to do a standard deviation, much more statistically correct. My bro has advocated this FACT since they came out with it. I'm just a washer salesman and I know that! With the more heads up runs, this would have to be improved. Stacy Last edited by PONTIAC'S REVENGE; 11-29-2010 at 01:09 PM.