REALLY, Letter to tech. - Page 3

X-TECH MAN · 03-17-2011, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony Janes

The roller rockers is actually under consideration by NHRA

Thats good....as much as the hard core guys would hate this it makes since. It would cost less than buying a few dozen rockers from a dealer or TRW/Seal Power/etc. and then having to send them out to be treated/coated/frozen and then you still have a bunch of rockers that might break and the ratio is off somewhat. Ive seen dyno pulls that showed no increase in HP by using them over OEM type rockers. It just might save someone an engine down the road with the loads they endure today. OK....Flame away.

Alan Roehrich · 03-17-2011, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Maybe you need MORE spring pressure and MORE RPM's to test the parts......

Oh, I don't know about that, we run about as much spring pressure as anyone does. We turn plenty of RPM when we need to as well.

Alan Roehrich · 03-17-2011, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Thats good....as much as the hard core guys would hate this it makes since. It would cost less than buying a few dozen rockers from a dealer or TRW/Seal Power/etc. and then having to send them out to be treated/coated/frozen and then you still have a bunch of rockers that might break and the ratio is off somewhat. Ive seen dyno pulls that showed no increase in HP by using them over OEM type rockers. It just might save someone an engine down the road with the loads they endure today. OK....Flame away.

I don't think it makes that much sense. All it will do is change where the weak link is located. The next thing will be another few hundred RPM, and something else that breaks. Then something else to be "enhanced" for more money. The escalation just keeps on, without end. Super Stock has already been "enhanced" well over 1/2 way to where Modified was, and Stock is already 1/2 way to where Super Stock was. Where should it stop? When Super Stock reaches where Comp is, and Stock reaches where Super Stock is?

X-TECH MAN · 03-17-2011, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Oh, I don't know about that, we run about as much spring pressure as anyone does. We turn plenty of RPM when we need to as well.

Just yanking your chain Alan......LOL. NHRA will do what they want no matter what we think. Just look at the new 4.6 Ford just allowed in stock with CNC ported heads and a ton more comp.,larger 65mm throttle body, and a hotter cam than the street version comes with yet the street version is rated much more than this "Stocker" version. Its all a joke and stock is not only DUMBED down its just gets dummer with each passing ehancement.

Adger Smith · 03-17-2011, 09:15 PM

As far as unsprung weigh making a difference, it does in my car. when I put the wheelie bars, totally inoperative & they are there for the 18 lbs they add to the car and never touch the ground, It costs me about .05.. That .05 is with their weigh adjusted else where in the car. I think their weigh screws with the shock and spring settings. I can't tell, but it might even make it more of a dead hook. My low hp combo doesn't like that. If I had to run an iron chunk i'm sure it would make a difference in my car. If I had to run one and be heavy on the unsprung you can bet I would figure out what to do and how to overcome the ET it cost.

X-TECH MAN · 03-17-2011, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

I don't think it makes that much sense. All it will do is change where the weak link is located. The next thing will be another few hundred RPM, and something else that breaks. Then something else to be "enhanced" for more money. The escalation just keeps on, without end. Super Stock has already been "enhanced" well over 1/2 way to where Modified was, and Stock is already 1/2 way to where Super Stock was. Where should it stop? When Super Stock reaches where Comp is, and Stock reaches where Super Stock is?

Im beginning to think that NHRA is planning to combine stock with S/S some time in the future and replace stock with the "Unleashed" index classes as the so called entry level classes..

RULER · 03-18-2011, 06:43 PM

The point I was trying to make was the fact that the reasons he listed for why it should be legal were not good reasons, it's not going to save racers money because a new car gets it I should or it's easier for them to change there gear set than mine, bla-bla-bla, it was a self serving request. make it make sense and they may listen, but remember this is NHRA. and they don't care for old combo's anymore for sure!!!

Ken Miele · 03-18-2011, 07:06 PM

Ruler, I got your point, loud a clear. Your opinion that it's self serving is confusing to me. If I have already purchase the parts how is it self serving if I ask for the rule to be clarified. I don't think the manufacturer where I purchased the parts will take them back, do you?

My reasons are no good, well thank you for setting me straight. Next time I write a letter I will be sure to contact you first. You mention it will not save the racer any money. There are already many racers using an aluminum center, most have been using them for some time now. If they have to purchase a new center section it will cost them money, unless you think they can trade the aluminum for a steel.

Ruler, this is my opinion and I hope you get the point. Your issue is not with what the letter says, your issue is with me.

BTW, you can call me Ken, "he" sound as if you don't like me, after all I called you Ruler. Just asking for a little respect.

03-17-2011, 09:15 PM	#25
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: REALLY, Letter to tech. As far as unsprung weigh making a difference, it does in my car. when I put the wheelie bars, totally inoperative & they are there for the 18 lbs they add to the car and never touch the ground, It costs me about .05.. That .05 is with their weigh adjusted else where in the car. I think their weigh screws with the shock and spring settings. I can't tell, but it might even make it more of a dead hook. My low hp combo doesn't like that. If I had to run an iron chunk i'm sure it would make a difference in my car. If I had to run one and be heavy on the unsprung you can bet I would figure out what to do and how to overcome the ET it cost. __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS)

03-18-2011, 06:43 PM	#27
RULER Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 221 Likes: 15 Liked 58 Times in 18 Posts	Re: REALLY, Letter to tech. The point I was trying to make was the fact that the reasons he listed for why it should be legal were not good reasons, it's not going to save racers money because a new car gets it I should or it's easier for them to change there gear set than mine, bla-bla-bla, it was a self serving request. make it make sense and they may listen, but remember this is NHRA. and they don't care for old combo's anymore for sure!!!

03-18-2011, 07:06 PM	#28
Ken Miele Live Reporter Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,862 Likes: 456 Liked 16,558 Times in 1,523 Posts	Re: REALLY, Letter to tech. Ruler, I got your point, loud a clear. Your opinion that it's self serving is confusing to me. If I have already purchase the parts how is it self serving if I ask for the rule to be clarified. I don't think the manufacturer where I purchased the parts will take them back, do you? My reasons are no good, well thank you for setting me straight. Next time I write a letter I will be sure to contact you first. You mention it will not save the racer any money. There are already many racers using an aluminum center, most have been using them for some time now. If they have to purchase a new center section it will cost them money, unless you think they can trade the aluminum for a steel. Ruler, this is my opinion and I hope you get the point. Your issue is not with what the letter says, your issue is with me. BTW, you can call me Ken, "he" sound as if you don't like me, after all I called you Ruler. Just asking for a little respect.