Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?

Larry Hill · 06-14-2011, 09:19 AM

At the "
$1,000,000 Race"?

Ed Fernandez · 06-14-2011, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Larry Hill

At the "1,000,000 Race"?

How many you think are just that now?What's your point Larry?

X-TECH MAN · 06-14-2011, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Zaskowski

What is the 1,000,000 race?

The million dollar bracket race held annually. Mostly won by rear engined dragsters with enough electronics to launch the space shuttle. Never had enough entries to pay the full million. Stiff entry fees with buy backs. Usually the winer gets around $250-$300 thousand.

Casey Miles · 06-14-2011, 11:05 AM

All the late model Corvettes are that way, do you think that they can cheat any better with a fly by wire throttle bodied car? Years ago, the Moroso 5 day had a car being controlled by something other then the driver's foot, it had a throttle stop on it being controlled electronically remotely. It made for an interesting evening, a 7 second dragster dialed in at 10 seconds. The owner was told to take it home and didn't get any purse money.

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

Mike Fuller · 06-14-2011, 11:37 AM

The new mustangs have what should be called traction control. They only open the throttle a percentage of full open during launch.The next time you run down the track with one look at the 60 foot time and then the 1/8 mile time and do a comparison with a car that uses a cable or throttle linkage. It would be a simple math calculation.

Do the high dollar races allow traction control ignition system? I have never been to one or bothered to read the rules

CBS · 06-14-2011, 11:48 AM

Mike....Do you know what you're talking about....

The drive by wire is a negative ...not a positive....

Larry,

Sorry I missed you this weekend....I think you are losing too much sleep over this....

They can probably do a special Pink CJ for you ya know....lol

Mike Fuller · 06-14-2011, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CBS

Mike....Do you know what you're talking about....

The drive by wire is a negative ...not a positive....

Larry,

Sorry I missed you this weekend....I think you are losing too much sleep over this....

They can probably do a special Pink CJ for you ya know....lol

Ask Larry if this is not correct

Mark Markow · 06-14-2011, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBS

Mike....Do you know what you're talking about....

The drive by wire is a negative ...not a positive....

Larry,

Sorry I missed you this weekend....I think you are losing too much sleep over this....

They can probably do a special Pink CJ for you ya know....lol

can you explain why it would be a negative? it seems to me being able to launch say a new mustang with limited traction at say 50% throttle, and ramp it to full on as traction allows, would be far from a negative. also i would think it would be simple enough to take a factory abs sensor that monitors wheels speed , and use it to have some sort of traction control.

Jeff Teuton · 06-14-2011, 10:00 PM

I got a new drive by wire system. I use a throttle cable, but we limit it to 70 or 80 or so %, but if I spin the tires, I pull this wire and open the throttle all the way and try to make it up. Comes out right under the tach and looks like a coat hanger. I might sell the patent to Lokar. I am developing a solenoid to pull it if the sensor detect the wheel spin, so I don't have to think about it. Works like this; If the rpm goes up faster than .03598 nanoseconds, the solenoid kicks in and pulls the throttle open. However if the rpm goes up only .02985 nanoseconds, then the throttle opens an additional 10%, and does not go to WOT only making up what I lose. I have a timer for the first 8.692 ft, and it can determine if the additional throttle is needed.

magnumv8 · 06-15-2011, 07:48 PM

Ed....Bluetooth, WI-FI, 802.11 are all available to access data and monitor a vehicles functions with the proper interfaces and apps that are also available,with the micro electronics some of these are small enough to integrate into an ignition box or an ECU.....the technology has been out there for years (F1 has been able to do this for a long time but they aren't supposed to use it, same with INDY cars....monitoring is OK,tuning on the fly is not even though they can).....auto-tuning and or self calibration to a preset ET (once set) is pretty easily done for someone intent on doing it.....

D L Rambo.....

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06-14-2011, 11:05 AM	#4
Casey Miles Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 703 Likes: 127 Liked 488 Times in 90 Posts	Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ? All the late model Corvettes are that way, do you think that they can cheat any better with a fly by wire throttle bodied car? Years ago, the Moroso 5 day had a car being controlled by something other then the driver's foot, it had a throttle stop on it being controlled electronically remotely. It made for an interesting evening, a 7 second dragster dialed in at 10 seconds. The owner was told to take it home and didn't get any purse money. Casey Miles 248H Stock?

06-14-2011, 11:37 AM	#5
Mike Fuller Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 947 Likes: 548 Liked 192 Times in 76 Posts	Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ? The new mustangs have what should be called traction control. They only open the throttle a percentage of full open during launch.The next time you run down the track with one look at the 60 foot time and then the 1/8 mile time and do a comparison with a car that uses a cable or throttle linkage. It would be a simple math calculation. Do the high dollar races allow traction control ignition system? I have never been to one or bothered to read the rules __________________ Mike Fuller 396 STK

06-14-2011, 11:48 AM	#6
CBS VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Commerce, Mi Posts: 1,387 Likes: 1 Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ? Mike....Do you know what you're talking about.... The drive by wire is a negative ...not a positive.... Larry, Sorry I missed you this weekend....I think you are losing too much sleep over this.... They can probably do a special Pink CJ for you ya know....lol

06-14-2011, 10:00 PM	#9
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ? I got a new drive by wire system. I use a throttle cable, but we limit it to 70 or 80 or so %, but if I spin the tires, I pull this wire and open the throttle all the way and try to make it up. Comes out right under the tach and looks like a coat hanger. I might sell the patent to Lokar. I am developing a solenoid to pull it if the sensor detect the wheel spin, so I don't have to think about it. Works like this; If the rpm goes up faster than .03598 nanoseconds, the solenoid kicks in and pulls the throttle open. However if the rpm goes up only .02985 nanoseconds, then the throttle opens an additional 10%, and does not go to WOT only making up what I lose. I have a timer for the first 8.692 ft, and it can determine if the additional throttle is needed. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

06-15-2011, 07:48 PM	#10
magnumv8 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Coraopolis, Pa. Posts: 172 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ? Ed....Bluetooth, WI-FI, 802.11 are all available to access data and monitor a vehicles functions with the proper interfaces and apps that are also available,with the micro electronics some of these are small enough to integrate into an ignition box or an ECU.....the technology has been out there for years (F1 has been able to do this for a long time but they aren't supposed to use it, same with INDY cars....monitoring is OK,tuning on the fly is not even though they can).....auto-tuning and or self calibration to a preset ET (once set) is pretty easily done for someone intent on doing it..... D L Rambo.....