New Ford 5.0 On The Books

[BlueOval Ralph]

I am not talking about the Boss 302 Pushrod @ 8.20 deck hight but the 4V four cam 5.0L that is used in the new 2011 Boss 302 Car code name of COYOTE in the 2011 NHRA engine specs it shows as as a 4 Valve finger foller Engine dual overhead cam small bore long stroke

Originally Posted by Chris1529

The boss block is a Windsor conventional sbf style block I believe. It is not the modular block for the 4.6-5.4.
They just revived the 5.0 size in the mod motor for this years cars. F-150's come with a 5.0 now too.

[ALMACK]

Well, it appears this 2012 NHRA 302 listed may neither be a Mustang GT engine nor a Boss 4v.

It is possible the engine is a "made up on paper" engine..........according to this board member on Modular Fords: (post # 5)

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/s...86#post1720886

"It's not a GT or a Boss according to the specs, it's an engine that doesn't exist. Someone goofed. All appearances are that it is the 2011 GT engine other than the piston and exhaust cam specs. I suspect that was the intent, to use that crate engine, much like they did with the 4.6 3V in the CJ previously. But the specs are wrong, not the first time they have submitted incorrect specs and cars got bounced for it previously too.

As listed it is a natural C car. Nothing there about transmissions, so no idea what can be used. Another paper car snuck into the guide, Ford hasn't put a production car in there for years now, just this made up ****. "

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by ALMACK

Well, it appears this 2012 NHRA 302 listed may neither be a Mustang GT engine nor a Boss 4v.

It is possible the engine is a "made up on paper" engine..........according to this board member on Modular Fords: (post # 5)

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/s...86#post1720886

"It's not a GT or a Boss according to the specs, it's an engine that doesn't exist. Someone goofed. All appearances are that it is the 2011 GT engine other than the piston and exhaust cam specs. I suspect that was the intent, to use that crate engine, much like they did with the 4.6 3V in the CJ previously. But the specs are wrong, not the first time they have submitted incorrect specs and cars got bounced for it previously too.

As listed it is a natural C car. Nothing there about transmissions, so no idea what can be used. Another paper car snuck into the guide, Ford hasn't put a production car in there for years now, just this made up ****. "

Sounds like a "CRATE MOTOR" to me.

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Sounds like a "CRATE MOTOR" to me.

LOL at the "crate" nomenclature.

Terry, I would be surprised if anyone can buy that exact engine direct from Ford and delivered complete in a "crate".

[dwydendorf]

Almost everyone I know that runs Stock and Super Stock that builds or has built an engine that takes advantage of the specs that are provided for their respective engines. That means cutting the decks on the blocks close to the minimum specs, cams that are close to the maximum lift, head cc's that are near the minimum in the combustion chamber, ETC. Why would you not expect Ford, Chrysler, and GM to take advantage of the same system that makes the Engine builders build their engines to the specs that give them the advantage? It is the System that is in place through both NHRA and IHRA that makes the manufacturers do what they do. Like it or not it is no different than what all racers do to be competetive.

[Ed Wright]

You don't see the difference between that crap and specs from a production car?

[Chris1529]

[QUOTE=ALMACK;266133]Here is a pic of the new Boss 5.0 4v longblock.
Like I posted before, it's a 7500 rpm (road) racing engine put into a street legal Mustang.
The tell-tale sign that it's a Boss is the oil cooler.
Externally, everything else looks the same as the GT engine.

my mistake. I usually think of the car as opposed to the engine when someone says Boss 302

[kdanner]

I know who's garage those pictures came from.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

You don't see the difference between that crap and specs from a production car?

Not many people grasp the concept Ed.

I said two years ago that what would happen is the factories could literally have "paper engines" that they never even had to assemble as prototypes or even make anything but blocks, cranks, heads, and intakes for.

With the new rule, the factories could actually let a racer go through their catalog and create an engine out of part numbers, then the factory can submit the "engine" with an arbitrary low ball power rating.

This new rule means it does not cost the factories more than about $500 to create a "new engine" any time they want one. They pay a guy to fill out some tech sheets and submit them to NHRA. And all they have to do is make ONE change in the cam or piston specs, and it is a different "engine". And they don't even have to make a single part.

Even if NHRA said "send us a piston", the factory could just say "we're buying them from XYZ pistons, we'll have them send you one" and have "XYZ pistons" make a dozen, and submit an "original" and their "race version" to NHRA.

Pandora's box is wide open now. Who knows what will come out next.

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by kdanner

I know who's garage those pictures came from.

Yes--Thanks Kris !