What would your Div director do ?

[Toby Lang]

I agree with Mickey. I leave off the bottom bulb also, but I watch the other two count down. If any of the bulbs went out it would effect me. Why have three bulbs if the top two don't matter?

I also agree with Beard (as usual.) It should be an automatic rerun. It shouldn't matter what the light is. The driver in the effected lane shouldn't get a freeroll either. (Freeroll is a poker term) For instance, they know if they win it will stand, but if they don't win they will get a rerun. Since they know they will get a rerun if they lose they might try something different at the top end like giving up the stripe instead of taking it.


-Toby

[TOM KASCH]

01 Mark Faul 528 6/6
02 Peter Biondo 516 5/5
03 Jackie Alley 450 3/3
04 Chris Chaney 444 3/4
05 Mike Crutchfield 442 4/5
06 Marion Stephenson 441 3/5
07 Slate Cummings 434 6/4
08 Dan Fletcher 429 9/2
09 Gary Stinnett 422 3/5
10 Justin Lamb
So you see 1 or 2 rd make a big difference maybe !

[Dan Bennett]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

So he's saying that if he had been late, then it would've been a re-run?

I think where Jay's coming from with that statement is that the malfunction didn't seem to affect him, sort of a no harm - no foul situation.

That said, I can't really agree. Any provable tree malfunction should result in a re-run with no questions asked. Yes, it's messy with cool down times and getting the two cars back into regular rotation but there is simply no other fair way to do it.

[Mickey Whaley]

How long does a rerun take 5 min it sounds to me like the div director didnt understand what happened and needs an explanition of the run, so maybe a real racer needs to tell him what the situation was?

[luckydog]

Absolutely should have been a re run....no questions asked. On a side note, I seen a pair 1st round in S/G where one opponent left before the tree was activated and caught the beams with his back tires as the tree activated. He had a sub 1 second 60'. Meanwhile, his opponent left on the ambers and was red. The guy who left before the tree was awarded the win and placed on the 2nd round ladder accordingly. It took the other guy going to the tower and bit*hing for them to get it right. Shouldn't an official have caught this? Isn't that what their there for? I just couldn't believe that one slipped through the cracks...........just like the deal for Marion. What a bad deal

[Dan Bennett]

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley

How long does a rerun take 5 min it sounds to me like the div director didnt understand what happened and needs an explanition of the run, so maybe a real racer needs to tell him what the situation was?

I've sat in Race Control with a lot of different DDs, and honestly I can only think of one or two who shouldn't be there. Even though it might not be obvious in the pits, as I've listened in on their decision making processes it was obvious the decision was made contingent on what was best for the most racers.

I agree that it's only a five minute deal to pair two cars. But every time I've seen this happen, things get uglier than an episode of Pinks. This guy needs to go service his clutch, that guy needs to get his engine stone cold, another one complains because he remembers how the issue was handled in 1976, and on and on.

If the class has completed before the re-run occurs, the computer operator has to shut down what they're doing and change to the correct eliminator file - and then change back. There may or may not be more changes to make like .4 or .5 tree, crosstalk, etc.

No, it's not the end of the world, but it ends up taking a lot more time than you'd imagine and a lot more chances to screw something up.

As far as I'm concerned you tell the racers that the rerun will occur as the last pair of that session, with or without them. But I never see that happen since the DDs are trying to be fair to everbody.

[Mark Yacavone]

As stated, some watch the whole tree, some go to the mat on the first.. I would have though I was late too...probably would have legged most of the way.

Bad call ... Would not have happened at any of our races. We would re-run it at 2 o'clock in the morning if need be.

Not really surprised though.

[Mickey Whaley]

Originally Posted by Dan Bennett

I've sat in Race Control with a lot of different DDs, and honestly I can only think of one or two who shouldn't be there. Even though it might not be obvious in the pits, as I've listened in on their decision making processes it was obvious the decision was made contingent on what was best for the most racers.

I agree that it's only a five minute deal to pair two cars. But every time I've seen this happen, things get uglier than an episode of Pinks. This guy needs to go service his clutch, that guy needs to get his engine stone cold, another one complains because he remembers how the issue was handled in 1976, and on and on.

If the class has completed before the re-run occurs, the computer operator has to shut down what they're doing and change to the correct eliminator file - and then change back. There may or may not be more changes to make like .4 or .5 tree, crosstalk, etc.

No, it's not the end of the world, but it ends up taking a lot more time than you'd imagine and a lot more chances to screw something up.

As far as I'm concerned you tell the racers that the rerun will occur as the last pair of that session, with or without them. But I never see that happen since the DDs are trying to be fair to everbody.

I dont care what you have seen happen its whats fair to the driver that spent the money to get there and in the points battle the rest of the stuff you said is BS

[Dan Bennett]

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley

I dont care what you have seen happen its whats fair to the driver that spent the money to get there and in the points battle the rest of the stuff you said is BS

No need to get up on the tires, Mickey. Take a deep breath and read my first reply.

"Any provable tree malfunction should result in a re-run with no questions asked."

Did you miss that part?

I thought it might add to the discussion to add some facts from a viewpoint most racers never see. It still doesn't change my opinion. There should have been a rerun. Sorry if I wasn't clear when I tried to talk about what's involved.

As for you calling BS, then talk to your fellow racers. They were the ones who came up with the examples I gave.

Look, we're living in some very strange times right now. Regardless of what a lot of people are working at right now, you really don't have to choose up sides. I'm not your enemy.

[Mickey Whaley]

Originally Posted by Dan Bennett

No need to get up on the tires, Mickey. Take a deep breath and read my first reply.

"Any provable tree malfunction should result in a re-run with no questions asked."

Did you miss that part?

I thought it might add to the discussion to add some facts from a viewpoint most racers never see. It still doesn't change my opinion. There should have been a rerun. Sorry if I wasn't clear when I tried to talk about what's involved.

As for you calling BS, then talk to your fellow racers. They were the ones who came up with the examples I gave.

Look, we're living in some very strange times right now. Regardless of what a lot of people are working at right now, you really don't have to choose up sides. I'm not your enemy.

Yep lowered the chip you fooled me on your post my fault sorry