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Old 12-07-2011, 09:09 PM   #21
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Default Re: Maple Grove 50th Anniversary Stk / SS Series

Sounds like a Road Trip to me...
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Old 12-07-2011, 09:22 PM   #22
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I think that it would be great to get the ECSSSA and the ASRA together for one weekend. That would be some competition between 2 great organizations.
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Old 12-08-2011, 01:21 PM   #23
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Dave Casey wrote:

"Vic, with the expense of racing and the time involved, I don't think you will have a problem with legality issues and street car issues. I only say that because it has not been an issue for us at ASRA. It seems that the racers police themselves pretty well, and that is a good thing."

I don't think it is up to us to police the cars. I think the gentlemen running the race need to ensure competitors show proof of a valid competition #, and unless it is their first race, I would like to see some sort of evidence they have raced the car at an NHRA or IHRA race. A weight sticker, decal, stats from Nitro Joe, some evidence that the car has competed at a sanctioned race and been deemed legal to compete. I think that is fair. I know I only race an IHRA crate motor stocker, not a tried and true NHRA car, but in my opinion, you really can't say you race a stock/superstock car if you only race once or twice a year at a non-sanctioned combo. It is simply not fair to the other competitors who put serious time, effort, and money into racing.
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Old 12-08-2011, 05:06 PM   #24
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Who exactly are all of these hoards of unknown Pure Stockers and "IHRA cars" that are infiltrating combos in the Northeast?
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Old 12-08-2011, 05:12 PM   #25
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I don't think we have ever had one of those at the ECSS races.
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Old 12-08-2011, 08:38 PM   #26
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Default Re: Maple Grove 50th Anniversary Stk / SS Series

I'm in agreement with Brian VP. We should get the 2 great organizations together for a race.

ECSSSA vs. ASRA.

The only thing i would suggest: 2 seperate catorgories. Stock vs Stock.
Super Stock vs Super Stock.

I'm sure we can get a good car count in each one.
That would be a "fun" weekend race.

OK Brian, i nominate you to run it.......lol
You & Lee did a Great Job on your Combo in the Hills Race.

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Old 12-08-2011, 09:59 PM   #27
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Chris,

You need to encourage racers to attend, not discourage them. The racers that only run as you say 1 or 2 association racers per year are the backbone of this sport,they are equally as much racers as are those that go to 30 races a year. Both types are living within their means and desires.

As far as your comment on you only being a crate motor racer, I sure doesn't matter to me, it's a stocker and that is great, in all the associations I have heard of, ihra and nhra cars are both welcome.

The racers that only go to some ,none or an occasional nhra/ihra race make up a large part of the field at our ASRA races. We get 60 cars regularly and had one race with over 70 this year and other years. We have heads up races, and I can honestly say that in the many years that I have been involved, never have we had a protest, or complaint about legal issues. I suggest you work toward promoting these type of races and spend less time trying to find things that could go wrong.

Michael and Mike , I am with you on this, it just is not and issue, if it ever is, I know that Dave will deal with it at the ecsss races and so will we up here at the ASRA races.

Running the ecsss vs asra is a topic that comes up regularly, Dave will tell you , the schedule is the biggest issue and it is a big one. We could have one heck of a time doing it, but man ,it just ain't easy. Dave has talked about it with our board members more than once.
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Old 12-09-2011, 08:45 AM   #28
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I don't wish to discourage anyone from racing. I know how expensive it is to run a car, and I have to tow at least two hours to get to a track with mine. I want to encourage anyone that has a class car to support all the association races they can, but at the same time, I feel they should attend an NHRA/IHRA race or two if they can as well. If they want to race a class car, or say they race a class car, they need to enter it at a race sanctioned by the organization that they belong to.
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Old 12-09-2011, 12:13 PM   #29
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Just for example, Joe Heustis runs nothing but local combos. Considering he bought Philbrick's old motor, I have zero concerns about the legality of his combo. He doesn't need to go to a Pro-Am race to earn some kind of legitimacy. If someone has questions about a particular car, deal with them on a case-by-case basis.

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Old 12-09-2011, 07:40 PM   #30
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I don't wish to discourage anyone from racing. I know how expensive it is to run a car, and I have to tow at least two hours to get to a track with mine. I want to encourage anyone that has a class car to support all the association races they can, but at the same time, I feel they should attend an NHRA/IHRA race or two if they can as well. If they want to race a class car, or say they race a class car, they need to enter it at a race sanctioned by the organization that they belong to.
Chris, racers may have had to cut back and simply put the total cost of a weekend divisional can wipeout a budget as opposed to running a single day combo race that costs significantly less. Generally speaking both associations know all the class racers in their areas whether they are members or not. This is not the time to take a hard line against participants just because they can't race as much as they used to.
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