P glide to to 3 speed switch.How much is it worth??? - Page 3

Mike Taylor 3601 · 02-28-2013, 09:53 AM

X2 Adger On car that is really sensitive to converter,like low hp stocker,gear ratio change can make converter wrong. Simple way to think about converters is like they are rubber band easier the car moves,lower gear in trans or rear,weight reduction,etc. the tighter the converter will be the harder to move,higher ratios,added weight the looser it becomes.
If going from 1.76 or 1.8? glide to 2.75 in 200 is not going to use same converter,before anyone says it I know they don't interchange,unless both are converted to for turbo 350 converter.
When I had a auto went from 2.48-2.75 low and converter was a little tight w/2.48 and got worse w/2.75

I went back to what I know and love ,turn 6 adjusters w/long 7/32 allen wrench in about 5 minutes I'm ready to go again,I rarely even get any clutch dust on me,I hate that atf stuff I call it devils blood.
Mike Taylor 3601

Ian Hill · 03-01-2013, 09:01 AM

my trannys and converters for the stocker (which it what i was commenting on) are all ATI pieces. i have back to back'd 11 converters in the 350 and made the adjustment as recommended from ATI from what we consider our base line with the 350, when we went to the glide.

the glide has a 2.08 first gear, the 350 has a 2.75 first gear. I have been thinking of trying the Pro Trans spare i have which has a 2.48 first gear, but it mostl likely won't happen this year.

Also, i have never put the car on kill. i run in bracket mod all the time. 18 pounds in the rear tires, launch at 3200-3400 based on reaction, 35 degrees timing no matter what and i never change jets throughout the season, there maybe more in the car with the glide if we tried high rpm launches and way more rear tire pressure as the glide already makes more mph, i remember with the Chevelle i was running three years ago, 5 psi in the rear tires made almost 5 mph (we ran 22psi and tried 27 - Hoosier light weight radials 9x30 92 inch roll out).

03-01-2013, 10:41 AM

Has nothing to do with sexual prefrence, LOL. Maybe I could word that differently.

You guys were the fastest glide stocker around when you ran the nova? What made you keep the glide? Do you think that car would be faster or just as fast with a T350 with basic parts? You must have kept the glide for a good reason. Your car in G/SA - Jr Stock went 10.70's back then. Your glide must have been real good to keep it in the car.

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Originally Posted by Glenn Briglio

Yeah gotta use a high dollar three speed or it ain't any faster.
I don't know bout all this talk with man levers and fun, sounds a little ghey. LOL

Glenn Briglio · 03-03-2013, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

Has nothing to do with sexual prefrence, LOL. Maybe I could word that differently.

You guys were the fastest glide stocker around when you ran the nova? What made you keep the glide? Do you think that car would be faster or just as fast with a T350 with basic parts? You must have kept the glide for a good reason. Your car in G/SA - Jr Stock went 10.70's back then. Your glide must have been real good to keep it in the car.

Hey Todd, just jokin bout man levers and such. Been tryin to get Henry to put in a Jerico for years. Ha-ha.That would definetely wake that car up!Only reason we stuck with glide cause we're old and stubborn. LOL.Really though, have a good three speed auto that wasn't reliable enough to stay together long enough to iron out. I think it will be faster especially in the heat.I don't think it would be faster with a basic T350. Too much rotating weight.

G Anderson · 03-03-2013, 07:53 PM

Lyn:I'd say it was worth a solid .015 for me and you know how cheap I am

Glenn Briglio · 03-03-2013, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by G Anderson

Lyn:I'd say it was worth a solid .015 for me and you know how cheap I am

Do you meen .15? And yes on engines that make less power the 3 speed will help more with the same weight. Also the correct convertor is essential for optimum et as was mentioned earlier.

Adger Smith · 03-03-2013, 08:38 PM

Glenn,
On my 3200 lb V-6 I used the maxed out 1.98 PG converter and went to a 2.12/1.35/1 Proflite. It picked up about .02 in low gear then it picked up the rest in second gear. .07 for a total of what happened in hi gear. of .1 to .11 on a consistant track. We noticed the converter was quite a bit tighter on the gera changes and leavingthe line. so I tried 2 other converters that were always too loose for the PG. the best one put the stall back up about 50 below what my PG ran with. It also picked up another .04. The second gear made a big difference in racing too. because with the pg it was like the car was hanging there when side by side, I think the extra gear (2nd) made it harder for another racer to pace my car. BTW my V-6 makes about 660 hp @ 9200. I think it helped the finish line charge, too. MPH went up when the right converter was in it.

james schaechter · 03-03-2013, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by G Anderson

Lyn:I'd say it was worth a solid .015 for me and you know how cheap I am

Yep, .15 and knowing Greg, he drained the old atf from the glide out and poured it into themetric! LOL!

Glenn Briglio · 03-05-2013, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Adger Smith

Glenn,
On my 3200 lb V-6 I used the maxed out 1.98 PG converter and went to a 2.12/1.35/1 Proflite. It picked up about .02 in low gear then it picked up the rest in second gear. .07 for a total of what happened in hi gear. of .1 to .11 on a consistant track. We noticed the converter was quite a bit tighter on the gera changes and leavingthe line. so I tried 2 other converters that were always too loose for the PG. the best one put the stall back up about 50 below what my PG ran with. It also picked up another .04. The second gear made a big difference in racing too. because with the pg it was like the car was hanging there when side by side, I think the extra gear (2nd) made it harder for another racer to pace my car. BTW my V-6 makes about 660 hp @ 9200. I think it helped the finish line charge, too. MPH went up when the right converter was in it.

That's great Adger.What kinda torque does that V6 make and at what RPM? What does the torque curve look like?

B Parker · 03-07-2013, 09:30 PM

Glen If you remember we were playing with the metric about the same time you guys were. All we saw was about .05. We did the switch back to back at the track. Some of you guys may be picking up more than that. But I would question how good your glide and converter are. Barry

02-28-2013, 09:53 AM	#21
Mike Taylor 3601 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Somerset,Ky Posts: 1,348 Likes: 297 Liked 248 Times in 87 Posts	Re: P glide to to 3 speed switch.How much is it worth??? X2 Adger On car that is really sensitive to converter,like low hp stocker,gear ratio change can make converter wrong. Simple way to think about converters is like they are rubber band easier the car moves,lower gear in trans or rear,weight reduction,etc. the tighter the converter will be the harder to move,higher ratios,added weight the looser it becomes. If going from 1.76 or 1.8? glide to 2.75 in 200 is not going to use same converter,before anyone says it I know they don't interchange,unless both are converted to for turbo 350 converter. When I had a auto went from 2.48-2.75 low and converter was a little tight w/2.48 and got worse w/2.75 I went back to what I know and love ,turn 6 adjusters w/long 7/32 allen wrench in about 5 minutes I'm ready to go again,I rarely even get any clutch dust on me,I hate that atf stuff I call it devils blood. Mike Taylor 3601

03-01-2013, 09:01 AM	#22
Ian Hill Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 216 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 3 Posts	Re: P glide to to 3 speed switch.How much is it worth??? my trannys and converters for the stocker (which it what i was commenting on) are all ATI pieces. i have back to back'd 11 converters in the 350 and made the adjustment as recommended from ATI from what we consider our base line with the 350, when we went to the glide. the glide has a 2.08 first gear, the 350 has a 2.75 first gear. I have been thinking of trying the Pro Trans spare i have which has a 2.48 first gear, but it mostl likely won't happen this year. Also, i have never put the car on kill. i run in bracket mod all the time. 18 pounds in the rear tires, launch at 3200-3400 based on reaction, 35 degrees timing no matter what and i never change jets throughout the season, there maybe more in the car with the glide if we tried high rpm launches and way more rear tire pressure as the glide already makes more mph, i remember with the Chevelle i was running three years ago, 5 psi in the rear tires made almost 5 mph (we ran 22psi and tried 27 - Hoosier light weight radials 9x30 92 inch roll out). __________________ They say money can't buy happiness, it can buy race car parts, and that makes me happy Ian Hill GT/FA 1982 Camaro, F/CM 1968 Camaro

03-03-2013, 07:53 PM	#25
G Anderson Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 105 Likes: 13 Liked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Re: P glide to to 3 speed switch.How much is it worth??? Lyn:I'd say it was worth a solid .015 for me and you know how cheap I am

03-03-2013, 08:38 PM	#27
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: P glide to to 3 speed switch.How much is it worth??? Glenn, On my 3200 lb V-6 I used the maxed out 1.98 PG converter and went to a 2.12/1.35/1 Proflite. It picked up about .02 in low gear then it picked up the rest in second gear. .07 for a total of what happened in hi gear. of .1 to .11 on a consistant track. We noticed the converter was quite a bit tighter on the gera changes and leavingthe line. so I tried 2 other converters that were always too loose for the PG. the best one put the stall back up about 50 below what my PG ran with. It also picked up another .04. The second gear made a big difference in racing too. because with the pg it was like the car was hanging there when side by side, I think the extra gear (2nd) made it harder for another racer to pace my car. BTW my V-6 makes about 660 hp @ 9200. I think it helped the finish line charge, too. MPH went up when the right converter was in it. __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS)

03-07-2013, 09:30 PM	#30
B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 847 Likes: 952 Liked 2,334 Times in 463 Posts	Re: P glide to to 3 speed switch.How much is it worth??? Glen If you remember we were playing with the metric about the same time you guys were. All we saw was about .05. We did the switch back to back at the track. Some of you guys may be picking up more than that. But I would question how good your glide and converter are. Barry Last edited by B Parker; 03-08-2013 at 09:50 AM.