New Jr. Stock Class

[Mike Taylor 3601]

The truck ideal sounds very much like crate motor stocker to me.
Pure stock is still basically the same as a stocker was before 1987 except have to have mufflers,so anyone wants to race like they did before valve springs,duration,overlap,electric water pumps,aftermarket trans.etc.rules were changed pure stock is your class ,but I forgot how many people can't do that it's IHRA LOL they are missing out on good place to race.
Mike Taylor 3601

[Dick Butler]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Dick, when are you going to just stop with the crap?
There's loads of "entry level" combos out there in the guide. For some reason you seem to just resent me calling things "dime rockets"!
Basically, anything from N/S on down is still built like an old Jr. Stocker.

I will not negatively respond, Billy. my Crap is in hopes of something more positive and I will end my comments on this thread. Thanks for reading though. Sorry you are "testy" about the dime rocket term used by many others before I used it in my post.

Billy, How many cars are in the country which run N/S on down? Maybe that is an indicator of their appeal to a new person. I thought if ONE newer or even older car could be identified by you people with understanding of the combinations maybe it could be popularized and pushed to be a popular point of entry.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

I will not negatively respond, Billy. my Crap is in hopes of something more positive and I will end my comments on this thread.

Dick, OK I'll apologize for my negative response and please continue to comment on this thread.
What I should have said is there are plenty of good combos that can be built with "entry level" expenditures in mind (how's that?).
If you are looking for a heads-up deal then just pick a weight to HP number and use the guide (14-15lb. should be "entry level"). The truck thing won't work if you're looking for newer models as Ford and Ram don't even make small trucks anymore and kids don't care for them anyway.
I would, if I were looking to put together an inexpensive, heads-up catagory be looking at FWD, 2.0L combos because almost every manufacturer on the planet builds one and that is what the kids drive.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Mike Taylor 3601

The truck ideal sounds very much like crate motor stocker to me.
Pure stock is still basically the same as a stocker was before 1987 except have to have mufflers,so anyone wants to race like they did before valve springs,duration,overlap,electric water pumps,aftermarket trans.etc.rules were changed pure stock is your class ,but I forgot how many people can't do that it's IHRA LOL they are missing out on good place to race.
Mike Taylor 3601

Concur...Pure Stock is a blessing to me.
Wish NHRA would add it. Not hard to do.
My car would fit in regular R/SA as Pure Stocker.

Love racing but do not want Roll Bars, special Seat Belts, super high octane gas, and cams so fat they need to go on a diet.

D

[Ed Fernandez]

How's about a Jr. Stock class for straight 6 cars?There's enough of them around.
Gremlins,hornets,javelins,rebels,ambassadors,spiri ts and even a nova,cacacacamaro
(I always sputter saying that word),duster,dart.It would be a cottage industry for Billy and Tom Goldman.
And Bill,you are getting a bit grouchy lately.

[Billy Nees]

Eddie, believe it or not, I can respect what Dick is trying to do BUT anything that anyone comes up with no matter whether or not it's a heads-up format, Jr. Stock or heads-up ET-2, if it's not something that young people are interested in and willing to support then it's a waste of time. Us old poops are doing just fine with what we've got.

[Dick Butler]

Billy, I appreciate your comments. I respect your skills and history. Yes you are 100% correct without people wanting to get into it there will be no success. It would need a major sponsor who at least "talked about it", some old guy entry and support would be good too. SUMMIT STOCKER, JEGSTER STOCK, They could provide roll bars, belts, etc to this class. Remember the Car Craft hype of the Jr. Stockers may have really done more for these cars than we recognize or have discussed here. If a 6 cyl or a small simple V8 combo RWD car could be picked out. Maybe a combined effort of sponsor, olde guys, and maybe even NHRA could develop..

[Mark Yacavone]

It's not just because of the lack of interest in what we do that keeps the young folks out...
It's the cost and time!

Someone said it the other day ..$125 K cars racing for $800 if you're lucky to collect it all...3-4 days at the track, motels or motor home?
$100 plus in association fees, $170 for one person at a divisional? $12 /gallon gas
What young person, working full time, maybe with a family already, would want to jump in on that?

True entry level might be :
13.00 index (fast Jr stock times of yesterday)
NO teardowns or fuel check.
Stock appearing, no scoops or tires sticking out, no gutted interior.
Saturday TT's , Sunday morning eliminations.
$100 two days/ two people
Wallys to the finalists, plus merch awards. (Jegs ,Summit , Lucas Oil, Valvoline)
They could move up to Stock when ready..as some eventually would.

Let's think real "entry level " here.

[Dick Butler]

Mark, Agreed

[Bob Don]

Geez - They have something like that now. It's called "Bracket Racing"!