Gt/aa

[Dick Butler]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Frank Grossi a few years ago put an 8.99 on the scoreboard at Vegas. No idea what it factored to, 8.70-something I think. That to me is the most impressive GT/AA run ever. When you can put a time on the BOARD at Vegas faster than 98% of the other cars in your class can run in killer air--you da man.

And what motor is that car running? Is it less bogus than the new cars? Just curious.
Kind of like how amazing is it to see a supercharged motor car go in SS. Who knows what the factors should be.... against regular motors...

[Mike Pearson]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

And what motor is that car running? Is it less bogus than the new cars? Just curious.
Kind of like how amazing is it to see a supercharged motor car go in SS. Who knows what the factors should be.... against regular motors...

As I remember it was a 454 with a very low HP rating.

[Rick Leininger Jr.]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

And what motor is that car running? Is it less bogus than the new cars? Just curious.
Kind of like how amazing is it to see a supercharged motor car go in SS. Who knows what the factors should be.... against regular motors...

You've been calling some Super Stock 454 combo bogus for some time now. I've asked you twice before what it was, and you didn't even know, so I'll solve the mystery for you. it's a 1976 Chevrolet 454 factory rated at 225hp, NHRA rated at 325hp originally, now at 341hp in SS/GT, and available production line installed in a Caprice, Impala, or Station Wagon.

[Dick Butler]

Asking a couple of times has gotten people to look it up... How does 325 or 341 Hp compare to the et it runs in a class where the standard cars were 430 hp 454 for several years. Makes it about what 718 LB lighter than a 454 Camaro which were very competitive in GT/AA in the 9.40-50s at INDY. I guess this proves my point , it IS more bogus than the New cars when compared to other combinations in GT/AA. Maybe its just smart research. Wonder where all the beautiful well built 454 Camaros went? There were upwards of 7 to nine good cars in that class in the 1997-8 area....really competitive heads up racing.

[Rick Leininger Jr.]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Asking a couple of times has gotten people to look it up... How does 325 or 341 Hp compare to the et it runs in a class where the standard cars were 430 hp 454 for several years. Makes it about what 718 LB lighter than a 454 Camaro which were very competitive in GT/AA in the 9.40-50s at INDY. I guess this proves my point , it IS more bogus than the New cars when compared to other combinations in GT/AA. Maybe its just smart research. Wonder where all the beautiful well built 454 Camaros went? There were upwards of 7 to nine good cars in that class in the 1997-8 area....really competitive heads up racing.

When did you stop running GT/AA with your 454/430hp Camaro?

[topspeed632]

as i see in the nhra recorder holder in GT/AA is jeff lawernce mustang .. and my engine builder he had out ran gary richerson mustang and cobolt... in. 2015 hold on this going to be a fun ride to witness

[Dick Butler]

Originally Posted by Rick Leininger Jr.

When did you stop running GT/AA with your 454/430hp Camaro?

1998 I sold the Camaro after winning class at INDY, and built a cavalier. I never raced it but buyer was very successful with 402. Boudreau sold his due to health. Butch Williams retired. Phil mandella concentrated on business. Defrank sold the car. Glen Stahl changed classes. At least two others dropped out. then came the sbc cavalier and the rule change to allow bbc in FWD. Interesting. Then the BOGUS bbc appeared and ran in the 8 s when all the above cars were at 9.50.s at indy

[Rick Leininger Jr.]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

1998 I sold the Camaro after winning class at INDY, and built a cavalier. I never raced it but buyer was very successful with 402. Boudreau sold his due to health. Butch Williams retired. Phil mandella concentrated on business. Defrank sold the car. Glen Stahl changed classes. At least two others dropped out. then came the sbc cavalier and the rule change to allow bbc in FWD. Interesting. Then the BOGUS bbc appeared and ran in the 8 s when all the above cars were at 9.50.s at indy

So you have an issue with a combination in a class you have not participated in for 16 years?

[Paul Iaconis]

Top speed That would be Gary Richard Jeff has beat the cobalt in class but hasn't beat the mustang yet but it doesn't make a difference it's a bogus combo any way.

[Dick Butler]

Originally Posted by Rick Leininger Jr.

So you have an issue with a combination in a class you have not participated in for 16 years?

Yes, Even better I have a beef about the HP factoring in general...Doesn't that explain all the New Car/Old Car discussion? I am only pointing out the issue isn't new. It is a basic flaw in classification of Motors. Some get overlooked because it only hits a small group and the new cars create a big issue because the same methods affect a larger group of racers. Is factoring only important if it is your class? I know it is not. It is a more broad issue and needs help throughout the classes and tech books.... Even better I feel my experience in racing 35 years can be helpful to the discussions even today..Thats why I support the return of Modified. Classes based on cubic inchs which cannot be factored or ignored . First man there with the same motor is the winner in my book. Do away with the factoring Crutch needed by some to be interested or competitive.

Rick Good Discussion. Merry Christmas.