new A/FX CLASS - Page 3

MR DERBY CITY · 06-27-2023, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

How about sharing which rules were changed that allowed the FS cars into Stock Eliminator?

Gump, we have been through this before …They ain’t stock eliminator cars, they have no vin like Billy’s nova , they weren’t bought off the showroom floor, if you want to argue some more ,…. Send Lt. Dan …..

GUMP · 06-27-2023, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY

Gump, we have been through this before...

We sure have! As long as you keep beating a dead horse....

MR DERBY CITY · 06-27-2023, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

We sure have! As long as you keep beating a dead horse....

Gump, my post was not directed at you in any way, shape or form. Just because the FS cars race in stock eliminator does not make it right. They have no business racing in stock eliminator. For a guy that thinks he is so smart, you are just not very bright….
WITH WARMEST REGARDS …..MJ

Mark Yacavone · 06-27-2023, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

We sure have! As long as you keep beating a dead horse....

Gump, I wouldn't pretend to know what NHRA will do, at any given time.

Little history here:
50 years ago they forced us in Jr.Stock, into S/S to pump that up.
Then they created a sort of pure stock to replace us.That didn't last for 3 years, before it morphed into what we have today..Not even close!
Next, Modified was broken up into S/S and Comp, even though there were more entries then, than there are presently in Comp. Yes, they did pay off the racers that were involved in the lawsuit, an undisclosed amount. I don't figure they'll try that again, with Comp.
9.90 was lifted from the California Pro Gas (9.80) group.
Then they stole Pro Mod, TS and TD from IHRA.
Now, supposing they need some FS cars to pump up some new, late model eliminator? I know where there's a bunch of them ;-)

GUMP · 06-28-2023, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY

Just because the FS cars race in stock eliminator does not make it right. They have no business racing in stock eliminator.

And yet, I will continue to run my program, despite your crying.

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For a guy that thinks he is so smart, you are just not very bright….

You are very brave behind a keyboard...

Jim Kaekel · 06-28-2023, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

How about sharing which rules were changed that allowed the FS cars into Stock Eliminator?

One of the most principle rules of Stock Eliminator once was the "minimum of 500 cars manufactured" rule to start with. Sorry to get off track.

rboyle · 06-28-2023, 08:32 AM

My .02 is that the problems NHRA faces are not the classes or cars or participation or payouts, The problem is the competition has done a better job capturing the imagination of the American Hot Rodders. Their main customer. Programs like Street Outlaws and No Prep Kings and races like that have done a better job promoting their type of racing. They made it easier to understand to the generic fan. First to the finish line wins. No head starts, no ET's and RT's posted. It's not about what Detroit is selling or not selling any more. They need to promote what they currently have better, top to bottom.
They can promote the fastest B/SA shootout picture the interest in a Camaro vs Mustang vs Hemi car shootout all chilled down and no AHFS penalty. It's a matter of selling your product that you currently have. The average hot rodder or restorer can picture building and racing their garage build but few can envision buying a new COPO for $125k then cutting it up and modifying it for another $100k or more.
They can sell a grudge match between the 2 best Super Street drivers with the right promotions.
NHRA has a strangle hold on the Stock Super Stock racer because there is limited option for us outside of NHRA style racing but they can sell even a U/SA mathcup if they try

Billy Nees · 06-28-2023, 11:58 AM

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I'm pretty sure that the "Suits" didn't come up with this new class.

In one way or another, "the suits" are involved. Be it taking something from someone or some kind of "support" in other ways.
They have, for the most part, lost focus on the majority of their members AND their customers.
These people (the suits) are "supposed" to be the "experts" in the field of Drag Racing and as such should be right on top of any new trends but they keep getting beaten to the punch by others. And when they ARE "beaten to the punch" they have been known to condemn the "others". Look back at how they maligned the street outlaws initially.

MR DERBY CITY · 06-28-2023, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

And yet, I will continue to run my program, despite your crying.

You are very brave behind a keyboard...

Like I said, my initial post was not directed at you or your program. Obviously you can not understand basic English.
I am just going to LAUGH at this one . You may want to do a little homework ….

J.R. Haddad · 06-28-2023, 12:32 PM

Regardless of the topic, we always end up on the same highway, new cars
shouldn't be allowed to run in Stock, and NHRA is the enemy. The NEW CAR issue isn't new. Unfortunately, I am old enough to remember as a very
young lad, the 1970 season at our local track. Stock Eliminator was run
weekly at almost every track across the nation. Two new cars were brought out that year, A 1969 Camaro 427 4 speed car(B/S) and a 1970 Olds 442
W-30 (F/SA at the time) and this was my Fathers car. The dominant car up
until that point had been a 1959 Chevrolet, running in N/SA, and a 1953
Oldsmobile, running in V/SA. The wailings of protest could be heard for
many miles. "How can we compete?? Look at the parts they get from the
showroom floor. Heads, cams, aluminum intakes, etc. etc.It is called evolution. But look at the fun. When Billy beats a New Car with his Pontiac/ Buick/ Cavalier/ all of the Junior Stock contingent goes crazy with elation.
Lets face it, we're having fun, and if we're not for what it costs, then we are crazier than most. Rather than bashing NHRA, or beating up Gump, who has made tremendous contributions to our sport, let's get pro-active.
We have been given a soapbox with our reps for each class/division. Either the reps are not interested( which I don't believe) or they perhaps feel that their voice isn't heard. I would love feedback on that. If they feel powerless, a meeting with NHRA is warranted to establish each parties abilities to help us move forward, in the best harmony that can be achieved. In the meantime, let's not hate on each other, we are in a world that is presently derisive enough. Let's enjoy our hobby together, and always strive to make it better.

J.R.

06-28-2023, 08:32 AM	#27
rboyle Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 604 Likes: 1,454 Liked 586 Times in 162 Posts	Re: new A/FX CLASS My .02 is that the problems NHRA faces are not the classes or cars or participation or payouts, The problem is the competition has done a better job capturing the imagination of the American Hot Rodders. Their main customer. Programs like Street Outlaws and No Prep Kings and races like that have done a better job promoting their type of racing. They made it easier to understand to the generic fan. First to the finish line wins. No head starts, no ET's and RT's posted. It's not about what Detroit is selling or not selling any more. They need to promote what they currently have better, top to bottom. They can promote the fastest B/SA shootout picture the interest in a Camaro vs Mustang vs Hemi car shootout all chilled down and no AHFS penalty. It's a matter of selling your product that you currently have. The average hot rodder or restorer can picture building and racing their garage build but few can envision buying a new COPO for $125k then cutting it up and modifying it for another $100k or more. They can sell a grudge match between the 2 best Super Street drivers with the right promotions. NHRA has a strangle hold on the Stock Super Stock racer because there is limited option for us outside of NHRA style racing but they can sell even a U/SA mathcup if they try

06-28-2023, 12:32 PM	#30
J.R. Haddad Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 784 Likes: 936 Liked 1,466 Times in 307 Posts	Re: new A/FX CLASS Regardless of the topic, we always end up on the same highway, new cars shouldn't be allowed to run in Stock, and NHRA is the enemy. The NEW CAR issue isn't new. Unfortunately, I am old enough to remember as a very young lad, the 1970 season at our local track. Stock Eliminator was run weekly at almost every track across the nation. Two new cars were brought out that year, A 1969 Camaro 427 4 speed car(B/S) and a 1970 Olds 442 W-30 (F/SA at the time) and this was my Fathers car. The dominant car up until that point had been a 1959 Chevrolet, running in N/SA, and a 1953 Oldsmobile, running in V/SA. The wailings of protest could be heard for many miles. "How can we compete?? Look at the parts they get from the showroom floor. Heads, cams, aluminum intakes, etc. etc.It is called evolution. But look at the fun. When Billy beats a New Car with his Pontiac/ Buick/ Cavalier/ all of the Junior Stock contingent goes crazy with elation. Lets face it, we're having fun, and if we're not for what it costs, then we are crazier than most. Rather than bashing NHRA, or beating up Gump, who has made tremendous contributions to our sport, let's get pro-active. We have been given a soapbox with our reps for each class/division. Either the reps are not interested( which I don't believe) or they perhaps feel that their voice isn't heard. I would love feedback on that. If they feel powerless, a meeting with NHRA is warranted to establish each parties abilities to help us move forward, in the best harmony that can be achieved. In the meantime, let's not hate on each other, we are in a world that is presently derisive enough. Let's enjoy our hobby together, and always strive to make it better. J.R.