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Decided to look for the Al Vanis '77 SS/MA Bird on some Q-lists.
And I found some. 5/28/05 - div 1-1 - #59 - .833 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop 6/18/05 - Englishtown - #90 - .631 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=97015 5/28/06 - div 1-1 - #51 - .907 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop Started running SS/KA. I assume that means a change to a 400 engine. Don't think you can jump up 2 classes, with the same engine, by just removing weight. But, what the heck do I know ?  8/26/06 - div 1-4 - #66 - SS/KA - .456 under https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 9/9/06 - div 1-5 - #78 - .321 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 9/30/06 - Toyo Nats - #65 - 10.997 - .553 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 10/30/06 - div 1-6 - He won 2 rounds at this one. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 5/26/07 - div 1-2 - #104 - .264 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop 6/21/07 - Englishtown - #108 - .115 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop So far, we know that Al got the car thru a trade, from Bob Michael. And we know that he was on the Q-list of several races. What I don't know is who had the car next, or ? So, there has to be somebody here who knows what happened to this car, after this.  I assume this car is the one driven by Bob Michael, that is #116 on this 1999 Indy Q-list https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop At this race, Bob is listed #51, driving a SS/KA '78 Bird. Same car ? https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop Here it is in 2000, as a SS/MA '77 again, in #53 position. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop So, once again, are we talkin about just ONE car here, raced by Bob Michael, then later by Al Vanis ? Or ? Last edited by oldskool; 09-03-2020 at 07:11 PM. |
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Congrats to Don Kennedy & Bill Rink for picking up their class wins, again, with Pontiac power !
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OK guys, ya'll have patience with me now, again.
I realize that some of the questions I ask have already been answered, somewhere in the thread. However, I can't possibly remember everything I've learned herein, especially about car & drivers I was not even aware of, at the time I'm questioning. Maybe if this site had a really good search feature, I could find the answers myself. But I'll use a MUCH overused phrase from TV news & politicians: "That being said", I have questions about some of the GT Firebirds that were at one time Pontiac powered, and possibly some that were never Pontiac powered. (1) The 1st pic below shows the Don Kennedy '92 GT Bird, which I've read was SD455 powered. According to DRC records, looks like Don switched over to his little Sunfire during the last part of the '09 season. So, who raced the car next ? Is it still being raced ? Pontiac power ? Any other interesting facts or history of this car that might be of interest to some who read this thread ? (2) In the 2nd pic below, Don's Bird was in the far lane & a white 3rd gen is in the near lane. I have the white Bird listed as belonging to Carroll Warling. Carroll was already racing his '74 A-body in the '98 DRC records. So, what years did Carroll race that GT BIrd ? What engine ? Any source for performance & race results ? History of car, before & after ? Any good pics ? Checked Auto Imagery. They only have pics of his A & X Body. (3) Now I have questions about the Biondo driven 4th gen GT Birds. I've seen Sam, Sal, & Peter listed driving a variety of year model GT BIrds. I remember recently seeing a '98 & a 2000 model, seems that I may have seen both on the same Q-list. So, was there only one 4th gen Bird which has worn the "Hatari" name ? OR, has there been more than one ? More than one at the same time ? I know about the 3rd gen Hatari. I suppose another way to ask the question is: Has there ever been a time when the Biondo guys were racing MORE than one Pontiac powered 4th gen Bird, in the same race, or at least during the same season? I ASSUME there was only one Phil Monteith 4th gen Bird racing at any given time. But, I've been wrong before. And I've seen Sal & Peter listed driving quite a variety of cars, including the Pontiac powered '77-'78 Bird Stocker. So, any help sorting all this out for me will be appreciated ! For someone like me who is not familiar with all the Pontiac racer names, these GT cars are very confusing. On most lists, neither the make nor size of the engine is listed. So, with so many GT legal GM engines between say 283 & 455 cubes, how is a guy supposed to know what engine a GT car has. And to complicate matters even more, some guys who I know use to drive Pontiac powered cars still drive a Pontiac body, with a non-Pontiac engine. VERY confusing, to me.
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Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers
I noticed that Leo Glasbrenner was running a '15 Camaro, in SS this year.
https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2020#indextop Also driving a '14 Camaro in Stock. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2020#indextop Seems I remember that when he put both Pontiacs up for sale, he said he'd sell one, but keep & race the other. Since he was racing neither, that brings up the question: Did he sell both Pontiacs ? If he did sell both Pontiacs, did someone buy them who will continue racing them, in Stock/SS, with Pontiac power ? Anybody here know the status of Leo's 2 Pontiacs ?
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I've noticed that since they moved these Pontiac threads to the Nostalgia section, I get very few answers to any questions.
 For most questions, it's total crickets. It's like very few guys ever even look in this section. Maybe the powers that be got tired of seeing these Pontiac threads keep popping back to the top, in the Stock/SS section. Oh well, I enjoyed lookin up all the info & learned a LOT I didn't know, from guys who actually saw these old Pontiacs race, & from some who actually raced 'em. So, to all who have contributed to these Pontiac threads, THANKS ! I really appreciate it !
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Was glancing back thru this thread & saw where I said we'd take a closer look at some of the Pontiac powered GT cars. Several were mentioned, especially those that are currently racing.
But, looks like I never got around to posting some results from the GT cars that were racing back in the earlier days of DRC. I'll begin with the Don Kennedy 3rd gen. I assume it was his 1st GT car. If I get any of this info wrong, somebody can correct it, if anybody who knows ever reads this. I'll post some of the car's better info from DRC. I'm pretty sure he ran an SD455 engine in that car. 1/30/98 - Winter Nats - #17 - 9.893 - .807 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop 2/21/98 - AZ Nats - #15 - .912 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop At #16 on that list is Sal Biondo, driving an '82 GT Bird. I assume it's the same Hatari Bird that Peter drove. 2/26/99 - AZ Nats - #14 - .869 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop 2/25/00 - AZ Nats - #31 - .815 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop 4/6/00 - Vegas Summit Nats - #43 - .699 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop 2/15/01 - AZ Nats - #27 - .710 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop 5/5/01 - Vegas Summit Nats - #47 - .735 under - GT/CA Class Winner. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop 7/6/01 - Pep Boys Nats - #27 - .706 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop 10/26/01 - Vegas ACDelco Nats - #46 - .881 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop 2/22/02 - AZ Nats - #25 - .797 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 3/2/02 - div 7-1 - #19 - .813 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 4/5/02 - Vegas Summit Nats - #23 - .798 under - GT/CA Class Winner. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 10/24/02 - Vegas ACDelco Nats - #28 - .899 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 2/7/03 - Winter Nats - #42 - .719 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 2/21/03 - AZ Nats - #15 - .871 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 3/1/03 - div 7-1 - #20 - .858 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 3/29/03 - div 7-2 - #19 - .951 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 4/4/03 - Vegas Summit Nats - #29 - .902 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 10/24/03 - Vegas ACDelco Nats - #46 - 1.004 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 11/1/03 - div 7-6 - #51 - .952 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 3/13/04 - div 7-1 - #15 - .822 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop 3/27/04 - div 7-2 - #13 - .959 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop 4/2/04 - Vegas Summit Nats - #14 - 1.029 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop 7/3/04 - div 7-5 - #17 - .921 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop 10/29/04 - Vegas ACDelco Nats - #47 - 1.052 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop 11/6/04 - div 7-6 - #43 - 1.057 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop |
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Don K. GT Bird contd.
2/11/05 - Winter Nats - #21 - .929 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop 3/5/05 - div 7-1 - #24 - .868 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop 4/2/05 - div 7-2 - #17 - 1.071 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop 4/15/05 - Vegas Summit Nats - #21 - .935 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop 10/28/05 - div 7-7 - #32 - 1.018 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop 2/25/06 - AZ Nats - #30 - .943 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 3/4/06 - div 7-1 - #24 - .917 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 3/25/06 - div 7-2 - #15 - 1.105 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 4/7/06 - Vegas Summit Nats - #28 - .977 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 9/30/06 - Sports Nats - #7 - .988 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 10/27/06 - Vegas ACDelco Nats - #43 - 1.160 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 11/3/06 - div 7-6 - #24 - 1.165 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 2/9/07 - Winter Nats - #33 - .979 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop 2/24/07 - AZ Nats - #33 - .922 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop 3/3/07 - div 7-1 - #29 - .963 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop 3/10/07 - div 7-2 - #13 - 1.221 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop 4/21/07 - div 7-3 - #22 - 1.048 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop 10/26/07 - Vegas ACDelco Nats - #42 - 1.130 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop 2/8/08 - Winter Nats - #18 - 1.051 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 2/23/08 - AZ Nats - #23 - .975 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 3/1/08 - div 7-1 - #29 - .900 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 3/8/08 - div 7-2 - #20 - 1.173 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 4/11/08 - Vegas Summit Nats - #16 - 1.105 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 10/31/08 - Vegas ACDelco Nats - #68 - .996 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 3/7/09 - div 7-2 - #20 - 1.046 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop 4/4/09 - Vegas Summit Nats - #44 - .973 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop Later in the '09 season, Don switched over to his little Sunfire, which has been mentioned. I don't know, for sure, what happened to his GT Bird. I think somebody said it is still racing overseas. Seems that several old Pontiac Stock/SS cars have been shipped to Sweden. https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com..._ACT=usrSearch Last edited by oldskool; 09-10-2020 at 05:22 PM. |
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One of the 3rd gen GT Birds I wanna mention again was raced by Steve Smith. I'd seen that name on Q-lists, but had no idea the car was Pontiac powered, til somebody posted it.
5/17/01 - Englishtown - #36 - .927 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop 8/31/01 - US Nats - #75 - .823 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop 10/4/01 - Pep Boys Nats - #22 - .921 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop 4/26/02 - Thunder Valley Nats - #16 - .886 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 5/26/02 - div 1-1 - #43 - Race Winner !  https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 6/8/02 - div 1-2 - #16 - .982 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 6/22/02 - div 1-3 - #19 - .927 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 8/10/02 - div 1-6 - #15 - .946 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 8/25/02 - div 1-7 - #20 - .899 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 8/31/02 - US Nats - #98 - .905 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 9/13/02 - Lucas Oil Nats - #42 - .978 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop "How bout Steve Smith's 91 formula div 1 championship 400 6x car 9.80's..." Noticed that his car wore the #5 during the '03 season. So, I assumed he was div 1 champ in '02. "Super Stock 1. Steven Smith 2. Sal Biondo 3. Bob Letellier" https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=30435 5/16/03 - Englishtown - #11 - 9.941 - 1.159 under - Perm number 5. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 5/29/04 - div 1-1 - #26 - 1.013 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop 6/17/04 - Super Nats - #29 - .803 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop 9/17/04 - Lucas Oil Nats - #36 - 1.018 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=1564 10/17/04 - Dutch Classic - #17 - 1.064 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop 6/17/05 - Englishtown - #34 - .989 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop 5/28/06 - div 1-1 - #24 - 1.017 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 8/26/06 - div 1-4 - #29 - .951 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 9/2/06 - US Nats - #26 - 1.113 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 9/30/06 - Toyo Tires Nats - #5 - 1.223 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 6/21/07 - Englishtown - #9 - 1.090 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop 8/25/07 - div 1-5 - #17 - .955 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop 9/8/07 - div 1-6 - #32 - .912 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop 9/22/07 - div 1-7 - #43 - .961 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop 10/20/07 - Dutch Classic - #18 - 1.108 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...B0ldA--&GI_ID= Last edited by oldskool; 09-10-2020 at 07:57 PM. |
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Steve Smith 3rd gen GT Bird contd.
5/24/08 - div 1-2 - #40 - 1.007 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 6/19/08 - Englishtown - #39 - .960 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 8/15/08 - Toyo Tires Nats - #6 - 9.991 - 1.109 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 8/30/08 - US Nats - #51 - 1.034 under - Semi-Final Finish. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 10/4/08 - div 1-7 - #28 - 9.963 - 1.137 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 5/23/09 - div 1-2 - #27 - 1.007 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 6/12/09 - Englishtown - #22 - .920 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop 8/21/09 - Toyo Tires Nats - #13 - .983 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop 9/5/09 - US Nats - #52 - 9.97 - 1.130 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop 9/12/09 - div 1-6 - #17 - 1.066 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop 10/3/09 - div 1-7 - #7 - 1.168 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop 5/1/10 - div 1-1 - #51 - .485 under. Looks like maybe a larger engine, moving him up a few classes to GT/CA. Not as good against the index. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop 5/29/10 - div 1-2 - #46 - .575 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop 6/10/10 - Englishtown - #27 - 9.646 - .754 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop 8/21/10 - div 1-4 - #35 - .651 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop 10/2/10 - div 1-6 - #25 - .785 under. Apparently went back to the smaller engine & GT/FA. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop 9/2/11 - US Nats - #44 - GT/GA - .879 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2011#indextop 10/7/11 - Auto-Plus Nats - #12 - .945 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2011#indextop 6/1/12 - Englishtown - #40 - .774 under - 3rd Place Finish. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2012#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2012#indextop 9/1/12 - US Nats - #77 - .852 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2012#indextop 10/3/13 - Auto-Plus Nats - #16 - .848 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2013#indextop 5/30/14 - Englishtown - #18 - 9.953 - .947 under - GT/GA Class Winner. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2014#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2014#indextop Don't know if that was the last time Steve raced the car, or not. I do know that Scott Burton was listed as the driver at the 2015 US Nats. 9/5/15 - US Nats - #97 - .775 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop Obviously, Steve was the previous owner of the 3rd gen that Scott & Brad Burton have been racing for several years. Still has the same paint scheme, complete with blue stripe. https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...9AlXQ--&GI_ID= https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...9AlXQ--&GI_ID= https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...9AlXQ--&GI_ID= Last edited by oldskool; 09-10-2020 at 07:51 PM. |
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Now we'll look again at the 3rd gen GT Bird driven by Greg Meyer. It's usually listed as a '92 model. Greg runs a 400 engine. I think he's used both 4X & 6X heads. Not sure. If he ever reads this, he can correct info as needed.
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