Crate Motor Class

[GTS340]

IHRA is/was basically a east coast deal. Come out west and fight for a spot at a national event. Be ready to put some miles on the tow vehicle. Surely don't need any more classes. Heads up racing is what Stock and SuperStock are all about. We need fewer classes and get back to hard work and attention to detail again.

Paul

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by GUMP

I am sure that they would love for you to race with them. I just don't understand why you feel they should change their rules.

Gump:
NHRA is always changing rules.
Not just about feeling...about rationale!
Class Racer vents many conversations about why NHRA does this or that.
Why wont NHRA change the rules to suit their opinion?

In another words I have as much right as anyone else out hear asking those questions!
You don’t make changes without asking, petitioning and being part of a solution.

At one time IHRA like many companies were managed by the owners who were dedicated to the product or service they started.

Today they are owned by Sharholders and conglomerates that care less about the intent of the organization.
They have become money conduits and manage by a different set of rules.
Their rules only apply!

I do not know how many times racers have posted asking why NHRA considers Stock and SS as the bastard child over the Pro Classes.

Beware of your opinion of IHRA as NHRA may end up the same way.
Tossed out and now you are looking in from the outside!

D

[Ed Wright]

Gump is correct. Attend an NHRA race, and tell us where they could even park more classes, much less find time to run them.

They aren't going to add those silly classes.

IHRA is going away just like AHRA did. And, just like the AHRA racers when that happened, IHRA racers will have to quit, or build their cars to fit NHRA classes, or just go bracket racing. That simple.

[GUMP]

Beware of your opinion of IHRA as NHRA may end up the same way.
Tossed out and now you are looking in from the outside!

D

Dan,

You obviously don't know my history with the IHRA!

You are welcome to your opinions. But, I will tell you that the post Bader IHRA has nothing on the NHRA.

The main reason that I have let Chip and Emily run my cars over there is that I like guys like Danny and know that low car counts put their jobs in jeopardy.

Best Regards,

Daren Poole-Adams

[M Brand 505B]

First off I feel for the IHRA racers that lost their platform of racing. I couldn't imagine building an engine combination to be told its no longer valid because of a venture capitalists decision. In the future it could even happen to NHRA class cars. The issue at hand is the crate motor cars aren't in the essence of NHRA stock eliminator and there are already too many class designations. Not all IHRA crate motor cars can throw a legal NHRA engine in and race but a lot can. NHRA needs to consolidate it's current classes as many have said. Mix sticks with auto's and factor the 2008 and newer cars appropiately so they have a normal class designation on the window. Will this instantly help fans understand the classes? No, but it'll be easier if NHRA decides to promote them and will generate a few more heads up with the stick cars being put in.

[Michael Beard]

NHRA has to many classes now with out create motor or STK/GT.

I agree that NHRA doesn't need crate motors or Stock/GT. That being said, NHRA had too many classes BEFORE they even introduced purpose-built racecars that are even less "Stock" than crate motor cars, and then they added over 40 classes -- which makes that argument disingenuous at best. We never needed more classes. Combinations just needed to be factored properly. Quite the opposite, we've needed less classes for years, but ironically most of the same country club racers that decry bracket racing fight any change that would result in more heads-up racing. Everybody's got their own agenda.

[Michael Beard]

What Brand said. Apparently we were typing basically the same thing at the same time.

[HR9121]

What Brand said x2. There are some really nice, good working crate motor cars in this area that could easily convert over. The major components are there just need the right combo in them.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Dan,

You obviously don't know my history with the IHRA!

You are welcome to your opinions. But, I will tell you that the post Bader IHRA has nothing on the NHRA.

The main reason that I have let Chip and Emily run my cars over there is that I like guys like Danny and know that low car counts put their jobs in jeopardy.

Best Regards,

Daren Poole-Adams

You are right I know little about you.
Based on your names you have an American lineage back to the 1700's.
In US my family goes back to the 1500's.
Be interesting to know more about your family heritage.

Yet also have been around a good while and know this history.
In fact so old I Carbon Date my wife!!
Agree 100% about the post Bader IHRA was governed well.

There is a whole new world out here.
Investors of IHRA are about making more money for their investment.
Class Racing requires paying for a strong knowledge base.
Drag Racing is not a high profit business profile.
Run right will provide a steady stream and Bader was good at that.

Investor greed is also why NHRA Class Racing is on the chopping block!

Also agree there are too many classes.
Performance wise my F/PS car would fall in R or Q/SA.
CM and GT cars could fall in a bunch of higher classes.
All the fitments are already defined.
NHRA already has a separate FWD, Truck, FS classes.

Integrate all of them under the existing A-Z class structure.
Rule changes will require moving all under a tighter A-Z system.
Adopt the GT, PS, CM classes.
More cars competing means more voice more revenue.
Especially to the Tracks that are not as widely attended.

Would be happy put some skin in the game being a non-automotive contingency sponsor for Pure Stock with NHRA.

Someone else has to step up for CM and GT..!

Dan

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

You are right I know little about you.
Based on your names you have an American lineage back to the 1700's.
In US my family goes back to the 1500's.
Be interesting to know more about your family heritage.

I actually came to the USA from England when I was fourteen. The Poole-Adams name started with my Great Grandfather. My Mother is big into the lineage deal and spends days going through records at the old Churches and town halls all over England. She has done my family tree going way back. It's pretty cool stuff.