Factory experimental

[Jack Matyas]

Bruce -- You are trying to run them out of Stock where they belong and right into some F/X class.........these cars are no different than a 69 Camaro 427 or a Corvette L-88 --- low production vehicles !

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Bruce -- You are trying to run them out of Stock where they belong and right into some F/X class.........these cars are no different than a 69 Camaro 427 or a Corvette L-88 --- low production vehicles !

well show me a new cobra jet on a ford showroom with a VIN that joe public can buy

[Bruce Noland]

Jack,
A Factory Experimental or AAA class is still Stock. You can hold on to that stuborn notion if you want to but these classes would still be populated with Stock racers.

[Jack Matyas]

Chad -- these cars are available to everyone . Not having a VIN doesn't mean anything -- I've personally raced several cars over the years that had none .

[Jack Matyas]

Bruce -- A separate class for new cars -- seems they tried that a few years ago -- you remember don't you ?? Thats right -- its coming back...........Fuel Injected classes -- should we start that again ?

[Bruce Noland]

Jack,
You're running around all over the place. You say we are running them out of Stock and now you come back with the separate classes comment. Most people agree that the separate classes program was a success until nhra got the Horsepower straight. What next?

[Jack Matyas]

Bruce -- I'm not saying thats what I want -- I think they're in the right place now -- let's not change this -- you're the one with the F/X idea .BTW -- we are not trying to run them out -- you are ! ! !

[Bruce Noland]

Jack,
Your words not mine.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Chad -- these cars are available to everyone . Not having a VIN doesn't mean anything -- I've personally raced several cars over the years that had none .

actually they are not. I work for a Ford Motorsports dealer. The cars are a Ford Motorsports Part number. We had a customer who wanted to buy one. we were told BY FORD that they had already picked who was going to receive one and that our customer was not elidgible.

And there is a big difference between building a car from a body in white (no VIN) and designing a combination around one.

I was just pointing out that these cars are NOT the same as a 427 camaro or L88 vette

[Chuck Norton]

Bruce,

I had my doubts that anyone around today would remember the events that transpired during the 1964 Winternationals so I didn't bring it up. The short story is that, on the first day of tech at that event, Ford rolled a couple of new Galaxies off the trailer that were unlike any of the '64 427 Galaxies then available on the showroom floors around town. Sure, anyone could buy a 427 Galaxy and many people did so but they were not equipped with a fiberglass bubbled hood, van front seats, and a few other amenities. I don't know if they had VIN numbers or not. They were lettered with "A/S" and "A/SA" on the window. The drama associated with those cars was far overshadowed by their cousins, the '64 Fairlane-based Thunderbolts and not much was ever said about the situation but those of us who were involved with Stockers at that time were very aware.

The ultimate resolution at that moment in time was that Farmer Dismuke (or someone) reclassified the cars as "B/FX" on the spot. Later that season, after their performance potential was determined, they became the original AA/S and AA/SA cars. I believe that Mike Schmitt ended up winning the National Championship with what is now referenced by the term "lightweight" Galaxy sponsored by Desert Motors in Ridgecrest, California. Of course, Gas Ronda won the National Championship in S/S with a Thunderbolt.

One of those cars sold last week at Barrett-Jackson as I recall. I probably have the issue of Hot Rod Magazine complete with pictures around here somewhere.

Highest regards,

c