GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Andrew when you get ready to come to the big boy races you just let us know. And if you don't know what big boy races are just ask your dad he quit going to them a few years ago.

Hell I have a hard enough time getting time off school to race divisionals. I've already began working on dad for Indy this year though, and if I do well enough at the Indy and Norwalk points races we'll be in Chicago.

[D.Johns]

Curious... What would you guys suggest the 2013 supercharged 5.0 be rated at?Currently it is 500HP. I'm not asking class because its factored at AAA which is top of the heap. But what would you consider a fair HP rating for the car?

[Bruce Noland]

Wouldn't it be nice if that was the only combination they had pushed into Stock

[D.Johns]

That was actually a serious question. What do people believe is a fair and honest rating for my car? 450-475-500-525-550-575-600-800?

What abou the other combos? What is a fair and honest rating in the eyes of the peers? What would you have rated them at if you were putting them in the guide? Again not talking class just HP?

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by D.Johns

[Charley Downing]

Bruce the only issue is you guys crying all the time. All you guys are doing is beating a dead horse. We have two old cars and you don't hear us crying. When we bring dads LT1 car to the track in C or D we get killed by new cars. If we bring our 80s wagon out in O we get killed by under factored 4 cylinder turbo fords. But yea no bitching out if this camp. Life is not fair Bruce, I know this is a new concept for you but that is how life works.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hill

The number as delivered is fair? So because it will only run 1.10 under from the factory it's not underfactored? You put a 3 speed and converter in one and go 1.40 under without taking a valve cover off! I don't care what kind of car it is, that shouldn't be possible.

I must be missing something. Maybe you could post something to back that statement up in regards to the 427/425?

[D.Johns]

Mark, that isn't to bad of a book actually. There are several books out there that are great. Mark, I do appreciate the book.

Leaders are readers and readers are leaders.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Our own worst enemies? Says who? Can you new car guys do anything more to ruin Stock? What could that be? I know, you're going to ask the oem's.......

Absolutely, says I.

I didnt do one thing to change Stock. It was already changed when I purchased my COPO.

I didnt ask for or want any of the latest stuff that has been handed out. I was also for FX classes, but now that pretty much any Stocker is an FXer I really dont know what to say.

You allowed the new parts without a fight. The big three released new Pony Cars. They built versions based on the current rules just like they built combinations to fit the rules in 1969.

[Bruce Noland]

Gump,
A revisionist eh. You were for the FX cars? When?

You were up to your eyeballs in begging Chevrolet to get the Camaro into this mess. Have you forgotten all your posts on this subject? Chevrolet said for several years that they were not coming out to play in this mess and you and others kept after them. So yes you deserve as much of the credit for this mess in Stock as anybody else.

And as far as the specs for these new cars, they were dictated by Ford and then Mopar came in and now Chevrolet . nhra simply swallowed and took what was given to them. So you guys have alot to be proud of. You're all cocky now cuz you can run your little factory hot rods all over the little guys but what happens in 7 or 8 years? History is what happens. And your names will go down in infamy for bringing on the demise of a truly great community of racers. And we'll be here to remind you. If you like it or not. Enjoy yourself.