Do you have to have correct hood - Page 4

zracer305 · 11-24-2008, 03:00 PM

Dick,
That's another problem I have with NHRA why is a hood change leagle in a "GT" car when they run Super Stock as well??? If you couldn't get it from the factroy (as installed, not parts in the trunk) it shouldn't be allowed in S/SS classes.

Dick Butler · 11-24-2008, 04:05 PM

Z my point was that if someone wants to run an 82 hood on a Camaro then it is called an 82 with an 85 motor and competes in GT since the rules changes to both ways on motor/chassis combination. The car I am talking about was using the light hood and calling the car an 85 SS class car to take advantage of the slower index of SS/KA AND the light hood.

danny waters sr · 11-24-2008, 05:51 PM

Way too many classes.Lots of them are used to keep from running a class where you know you cannot win in case of a heads up.I know this to be a fact, . Lots of the racers wait til last minute to see who is running what class. I go through this at tech at every event. Always some one wanting to know if so and so is running this or that . Sorry ,that's a whole new subject ../See ya at the races ///

jmdavison · 11-25-2008, 03:17 AM

The 70-72 OLDS 442 Ram Air hood was available as a stand alone option.. Ran one on the Vista Cruiser wagon in Div 6 for a number of years in S & SS.

Anyway does anyone know if you can run a ram air hood off a Z28 on an 80/81 Camaro coupe?

Troy Henderson · 11-25-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

This thread just reminded me of a funny "Billy" story. At least a good 20 years ago I was at a points meet with my 6 cyl. stocker (V/SA) and was suprised to see the then record holder in my class there. Well, this fellow was (is) a rather famous (infamous) kind of guy with some very good ties to some manufacturers and I can't help but notice that his car (same class as mine) is a beautiful Buick GN. The only problem is that he's not running a turbo motor but a 2V 231 V/6. To make matters worse, at the end of qualifing I realize that I have to race him 1st round, heads up. I went to my Division Tech Director and ask him what kind of car and combo this fellow is racing and he tells me that it's obviously a turbo GN to which I reply "in V/SA"? My DTD goes over to the fellow and asks him to open his hood to find a carbureted V/6. Well the DTD tells the man that he's not legal and he's DQed. The man tells the DTD that the GN body kit and the hood are "Stand Alone" options on any Regal and he will have him sent the paperwork on Monday morning. The DTD let him race (cleaned my clock easily) and that was that. The following week I get sent a copy of a "corporate memo" stating just what the fellow had said that the GN body work and hood were "Stand Alone" options that could be had on any Regal. To make a long story short, a friend of mine wound up buying the car and with the paperwork that came with it was what came to be known as the "Billy" letter and a cover letter to my DTD complaining about the way that he was "abused" by me. Imagine that, me abusing somebody! You can put your own moral on this story.

That reminds me of the GMC Syclones and the non-turbo 2wd Sonoma GT twins.

http://www.sytyarchives.com/faq/gthistory/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonoma_GT

OLD INJUN · 11-25-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by greg fulk

This kind of goes with the hood deal...I'm amazed @ the # of Novas that are running as a 69 when anybody that knows anything about them can tell it's a 70-72. Just to bring the rest of ya up to date...the 68 novas were Chevy II's & said so on them somewhere...the 69's were Novas & had short marker lights. the 70-72 had long marker light with the 70 having clear parking lights in the front bumper. sorry for going off course

THE 68 CHEVY II's ALSO HAD THE KEY IN THE DASH!

Bobby Zlatkin · 11-25-2008, 01:34 PM

I remermber when NHRA was so strict (mid to late 60's) that a '57 Chevy F.I. two door got bounced at Indy for claiming a business sedan (no back seat) when the trim tag on the firewall stated that the car was a standard two door sedan, although the car was done correctly.

Both cars would have run D/S, although at different weights. Just that the trim tag had the wrong code on it and you had to run the factory advertised shipping weight minimum. No adding or subtracting weight back then..

That's when stock meant stock. How far we've come since then.

Mark Yacavone · 11-25-2008, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OLD INJUN

THE 68 CHEVY II's ALSO HAD THE KEY IN THE DASH!

The 68 didn't have the guard beams in the doors,..as if that makes any difference to anybody ....

Bobby Zlatkin · 11-26-2008, 09:52 AM

Each year, '67, '68 & '69, Camaro SS's had different plates on top of the hoods.

Never knew that until I saw a Camaro get bounced at an early 70's Div 2 points meet during tech-in for having the wrong year plates.

Thought that was a bit extreme at the time but understood that 'stock bodied' meant 'stock bodied'.

Nova SS's used the same plates on top of the hood every year ('68-'72), same as the '67 Camaro, so that was never a Nova problem.

RJ · 11-26-2008, 01:15 PM

As Bobby said it sure used to be different. My pop used to run a 71 Duster in stock, NHRA tech gave him a hard time claiming the rear deck lid was suppossed to have a fin in the center of it, the rear deck lid had never been off the car since new so he knew they were full of bs.

11-24-2008, 03:00 PM	#31
zracer305 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 108 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Do you have to have correct hood Dick, That's another problem I have with NHRA why is a hood change leagle in a "GT" car when they run Super Stock as well??? If you couldn't get it from the factroy (as installed, not parts in the trunk) it shouldn't be allowed in S/SS classes.

11-24-2008, 04:05 PM	#32
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Do you have to have correct hood Z my point was that if someone wants to run an 82 hood on a Camaro then it is called an 82 with an 85 motor and competes in GT since the rules changes to both ways on motor/chassis combination. The car I am talking about was using the light hood and calling the car an 85 SS class car to take advantage of the slower index of SS/KA AND the light hood.

11-24-2008, 05:51 PM	#33
danny waters sr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: lagrange,nc Posts: 2,224 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Do you have to have correct hood Way too many classes.Lots of them are used to keep from running a class where you know you cannot win in case of a heads up.I know this to be a fact, . Lots of the racers wait til last minute to see who is running what class. I go through this at tech at every event. Always some one wanting to know if so and so is running this or that . Sorry ,that's a whole new subject ../See ya at the races /// __________________ Danny Waters, Sr / 73 Duster "340"

11-25-2008, 03:17 AM	#34
jmdavison Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 88 Likes: 3 Liked 16 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Do you have to have correct hood The 70-72 OLDS 442 Ram Air hood was available as a stand alone option.. Ran one on the Vista Cruiser wagon in Div 6 for a number of years in S & SS. Anyway does anyone know if you can run a ram air hood off a Z28 on an 80/81 Camaro coupe?

11-25-2008, 01:34 PM	#37
Bobby Zlatkin Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mills River, NC Posts: 417 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Do you have to have correct hood I remermber when NHRA was so strict (mid to late 60's) that a '57 Chevy F.I. two door got bounced at Indy for claiming a business sedan (no back seat) when the trim tag on the firewall stated that the car was a standard two door sedan, although the car was done correctly. Both cars would have run D/S, although at different weights. Just that the trim tag had the wrong code on it and you had to run the factory advertised shipping weight minimum. No adding or subtracting weight back then.. That's when stock meant stock. How far we've come since then. __________________ Bobby & Norene Zlatkin L/SA

11-26-2008, 09:52 AM	#39
Bobby Zlatkin Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mills River, NC Posts: 417 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Do you have to have correct hood Each year, '67, '68 & '69, Camaro SS's had different plates on top of the hoods. Never knew that until I saw a Camaro get bounced at an early 70's Div 2 points meet during tech-in for having the wrong year plates. Thought that was a bit extreme at the time but understood that 'stock bodied' meant 'stock bodied'. Nova SS's used the same plates on top of the hood every year ('68-'72), same as the '67 Camaro, so that was never a Nova problem. __________________ Bobby & Norene Zlatkin L/SA

11-26-2008, 01:15 PM	#40
RJ Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 248 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Do you have to have correct hood As Bobby said it sure used to be different. My pop used to run a 71 Duster in stock, NHRA tech gave him a hard time claiming the rear deck lid was suppossed to have a fin in the center of it, the rear deck lid had never been off the car since new so he knew they were full of bs.