No HP on the Sorenson combo?

[Bob]

Originally Posted by Brian Oakes

Just LOWER the INDEX'S and be done with this B.S.I bet over 1/2 the cars in D1 stock or Super Stock are holding a bunch, Lets get these INDEX'S lowered, so we don't worry about 1.15 and 1.40 under crap and then ya don't have to carry a ton of wt. in your trailer,LOL. Lets get this rolling, oh by the way, nice pass Sorenson Boys, that car is fast. Thanks for your time. Brian Oakes

Lowering the index's is BS!!

Just remember that if you lower the index by .2 that the trigger will get lowered by .2 as well. You will have fixed nothing!! THINK ABOUT IT!!!!

Maybe these "FAST" D1 cars should take some HP and be done with it. REALLY, if they are holding that much, a little HP shouldn't hurt them at all, right?

Perhaps we should start by making sure these cars are legal. After all it's not to hard to go fast when you cheat, is it? And I'm not just talking about heads and intakes, because we all know thats going on. But how about a late model Firebird with the frame rails moved in? Or how about a carbuerated 80 Chevy car still running an E-Shift?

[Brian Oakes]

Well how else ya going to stop this wt. game, and who says ya have to lower the Trigger point and why stop at .2 lower it more, and if ya think i cheat, come to Atco in June, my motor will be coming apart for the SS/CA record, if i can set it???? i will let ya watch it come apart. BOB, About any other cars in D1 , cheating.Don't know and don't care, just look after my own problems of trying to slow it down with out getting power. Thanks Brian

[bsa633]

Originally Posted by Bob Bender

Fix the HP factors not by dropping the index

Keep adding weight(and moving cars up through the classes) is NOT the answer..in the end we then need AAAAAA/S....probably 90% of all combo's has the potential to get past that 1.15 trigger as of today..the true pontential of all combos will never have a shot to be seen under the current triggers and indexes and that make the system more and more out of line..
Those cars that wouldn.t make an index thats .50 lower than today couldn't be more than a handful in each division..those are either totally wrong factored combos(that has to be figured out and changed some other way),racers thats working thier way up... or they have car owners that just dont care more than to barely make the "bracket race" ...and those dont get too much support from me..
I dont see any point to 1.4 sec or more under an index..lower them .50 and set the trigger on 1.00...in 5 years they probably have to be lowered again..

[Marty Buth]

Joe Schaechter is right. We ran against each other in qualifying when I went 1.47 under at Indy. I have gone 1.40 under 3 different times. None of them were planned, they happened. Two times were in division 3 and once in division 5. The results were the same, you tear down and you get HP. The first time was in Division 3 and I purposely went by the sacles, in hopes of the run not counting. Guess what..........it counted. I thought that was a fair ruling, because I made the -1.40 pass and I was trying to not get the run counted. I agree with Chuck Beach's comments. The rule and practice should be the same in all divisions. I know 3 and 5 are the same. It sounds like Fred was treated the same in division 4. Why is Sorenson's run in division 6 treated differemt? Makes no sense to me. I think the only guy with more -1.40 experience than me is Bob Shaw. I have been at the race a couple of times when Bob went -1.40. I am pretty sure Bob got the HP hit every time.

If Fred's appeal is granted and his HP is taken off, it seems like the door would be wide open for Bob, me, and anyone else to appeal our HP and get it taken off. No offense to Fred, but I hope they don't grant his appeal. I also hope NHRA does the right thing and gives Hal's combo the HP he earned with the run, just like all the rest of us have received.

One last comment. I have been impressed with all of the tech guys I have worked with in teardowns. I think Rich, Travis, Lukey, Jack, Don, and all the division 3 guys are very knowledgable and fun to work with in tear downs. Don even went to get a gasket for me at Indy. I also think Bob Blackwell, Wayne, and everyone I have worked with in division 5 are really great people. The tech guys don't do what they do to get rich, they do it because they like the sport, just like us racers.

Marty

[Jim Bailey]

You guys are hijacking this thread .... This has nothing to do with indexes. It's about Fairness, Equality, and Consistent treatment across the board in NHRA. Especially from Division to Division, as well as at National Events. Sorenson's are fast, always have been, always will be. Congradulations to them. Also,they are really nice guys. BUT, so is Fred Henson. Either Sorenson's get HP or Henson gets it removed. It's really very simple.JB

[herbjr]

"I have gone 1.40 under 3 different times."



Why would you do that? I can see it one time but 3x, there is no excuse for that when you know the rules going in.

As far as Hensons combo we are taking a decent hemi that was run in a Challenger in A/SA and installing it in a 67 B body where it is 430 instead of 457. Heck we may put it in a station wagon.


Herb Jr

[Tim Kish]

Originally Posted by herbjr

"I have gone 1.40 under 3 different times."



Why would you do that? I can see it one time but 3x, there is no excuse for that when you know the rules going in.


Herb Jr

Why not, as presented previously there used to be some chest thumping pride with having and proving you had the baddest ride on the planet - for some people there still is even if NHRA doesn't reward it. I personally take pride in making my car go faster, far more than slowing it down to save index. Now backing the car down to save parts from breakage is another story.

[Harry 6674]

Originally Posted by Tim Kish

Why not, as presented previously there used to be some chest thumping pride with having and proving you had the baddest ride on the planet - for some people there still is even if NHRA doesn't reward it. I personally take pride in making my car go faster, far more than slowing it down to save index. Now backing the car down to save parts from breakage is another story.

Wow, glad to see some people on this sight value performance from the car instead of the shoe polish tune ups. Thanks I was begining to lose hope.

[herbjr]

Originally Posted by Tim Kish

Why not, as presented previously there used to be some chest thumping pride with having and proving you had the baddest ride on the planet - for some people there still is even if NHRA doesn't reward it. I personally take pride in making my car go faster, far more than slowing it down to save index. Now backing the car down to save parts from breakage is another story.

Yea but in a land where you have very few cars in your class you can do that. Try that in any A-K/SA combination. You get 3.25% HP 3x and your combo is hurting a little.

Herb Jr

[Tim Kish]

Originally Posted by herbjr

Yea but in a land where you have very few cars in your class you can do that. Try that in any A-K/SA combination. You get 3.25% HP 3x and your combo is hurting a little.

Herb Jr

If everyone rans their stuff hard the system would keep the combos in check to each other, if you can go 1.40 under you need HP. It only hurts you to show your hand and run it hard when the other guys are sandbagging so you get hit, get factored back to where everyone should now be equal then they open it up and now you are at a disadvantage until they get hit. Its a game, just depends how you wanna play it.

My perspective is also different running a lbs/cu in class, I hit the index, everyone loses - not a single combo. Index is lower but I'm still the fastest car. What is the AHFS rule for lb/cu in classes?