M.g. - Page 4

GarysZ24 · 05-23-2009, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill dedman

>>>"I have no problem with the system now.If I go red shame on me."

Don't you think your opponent should have the right to earn that shame, too?
If you red light first, you have taken that right away from him.

Is that a fair system?

I don't think so...

I'm with you on this one too Bill....both racers should have to have the same focus regardless of which one leaves first...I wish the tree could be set-up so that the first racers green/red light wouldn't show, until after the second car left...if both cars had green lights then they'd both come on after the second car left the line. However (like you also said in post #26), the car with the worse red-light infraction would have the red-eye on that driver, and the lesser of the two would get the green & the win light...that's leveling the playing field. Furthermore I bet if that would happen, there would possibly be less of a massive desire to build the fastest class car, because being the second one to leave the line wouldn't matter as much...what do you think Bill???

bill dedman · 05-23-2009, 06:22 PM

What do I think?

I think you somehow missed my response to my friend S.E. Buchanan which said, in part,
"S.E., neither driver will see a red light until after BOTH CARS have left the line.

A red light will mean "you lose," and the computer won't know who has "lost" until it compares both lights. It has no way to know whether the second car to leave will have had a worse red light than the first (and thereby become the loser) until he leaves the line, so there's NO WAY this system will affect the concentration of the faster car's driver. He will always assume the other car had a green light until he's left the line and sees a red, if there IS one.

He will see what he's always seen when the first car to leave had a good green light. NO additional distraction...."

That is the way I've been told the software works.

Nothing else would be acceptable; you absolutely CANNOT have a red light coming on and distracting a driver who hasn't left, yet! Nobody should EVER have to put up with that!!!

Thanks for your thoughts, Gary.

Bill

treessavoy · 05-25-2009, 12:58 PM

Unscrew the red lights, disable the down-link to the scoreboard, and let them find out at the time booth who broke-out the most and was the winner, then the announcer can tell the crowd.

The second guy to leave deserves the "right" to lose by a worse red light.

Alan Roehrich · 05-25-2009, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

I have no problem with the system now.If I go red shame on me.

Ed F.

Dear Lord, I agree with Ed. What is the world coming to? And yes, I have gone red against a faster car, more than once. Oh well, I need to drive better, sucks to be me I guess.

Billy Nees · 05-25-2009, 02:29 PM

Oh please! If something has to be changed then do away with reaction times and down track times on a timeslip.

Larry Munk · 05-25-2009, 05:38 PM

No do away with traction compound it gives the fast guys way to much of an edge.

Doug Blackley · 05-25-2009, 06:41 PM

Easy way to fix it for everyone. Every racer gets a win light for each round and a Wally at every event. Then nobody is a loser.

Ed Fernandez · 05-25-2009, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Dear Lord, I agree with Ed. What is the world coming to? And yes, I have gone red against a faster car, more than once. Oh well, I need to drive better, sucks to be me I guess.

What's wrong with agreeing with me?Maybe my methods(wording) is a bit abrasive but at least :
1)I use my real name
2)I try to explain my positions
3)I get frustated by the way NHRA applys rules region by region and by who is involved

If you have a problem with that so be it.

Ed F.

Alan Roehrich · 05-25-2009, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

What's wrong with agreeing with me?Maybe my methods(wording) is a bit abrasive but at least :
1)I use my real name
2)I try to explain my positions
3)I get frustated by the way NHRA applys rules region by region and by who is involved

If you have a problem with that so be it.

Ed F.

Ed, lighten up. It isn't the first time I've agreed with you, think about it.

Ed Fernandez · 05-25-2009, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Ed, lighten up. It isn't the first time I've agreed with you, think about it.

Alan,this post was directed to others who have demonized me.

Ed

05-23-2009, 06:22 PM	#32
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: M.g. What do I think? I think you somehow missed my response to my friend S.E. Buchanan which said, in part, "S.E., neither driver will see a red light until after BOTH CARS have left the line. A red light will mean "you lose," and the computer won't know who has "lost" until it compares both lights. It has no way to know whether the second car to leave will have had a worse red light than the first (and thereby become the loser) until he leaves the line, so there's NO WAY this system will affect the concentration of the faster car's driver. He will always assume the other car had a green light until he's left the line and sees a red, if there IS one. He will see what he's always seen when the first car to leave had a good green light. NO additional distraction...." That is the way I've been told the software works. Nothing else would be acceptable; you absolutely CANNOT have a red light coming on and distracting a driver who hasn't left, yet! Nobody should EVER have to put up with that!!! Thanks for your thoughts, Gary. Bill __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 05-23-2009 at 06:27 PM.

05-25-2009, 12:58 PM	#33
treessavoy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dunnellon,FL Posts: 1,103 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: M.g. Unscrew the red lights, disable the down-link to the scoreboard, and let them find out at the time booth who broke-out the most and was the winner, then the announcer can tell the crowd. The second guy to leave deserves the "right" to lose by a worse red light.

05-25-2009, 02:29 PM	#35
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,487 Likes: 3,588 Liked 7,685 Times in 1,732 Posts	Re: M.g. Oh please! If something has to be changed then do away with reaction times and down track times on a timeslip. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

05-25-2009, 05:38 PM	#36
Larry Munk Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 135 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: M.g. No do away with traction compound it gives the fast guys way to much of an edge.

05-25-2009, 06:41 PM	#37
Doug Blackley Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Hanover, MA Posts: 430 Likes: 3 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: M.g. Easy way to fix it for everyone. Every racer gets a win light for each round and a Wally at every event. Then nobody is a loser. __________________ Doug Blackley 1697 STK