Changing the indexes worked

[Pat Cook]

Originally Posted by Rich Wallin

exactly why super stock is on borrowed time, not everyone is well healed enough to keep up, with this type of comment, maybe we all should quit,

I believe this is how the index system was started in the first place? due to the lack of racer participation

Rich Wallin, are you the same Rich that worked for Ford?

[Rich Wallin]

Originally Posted by Pat Cook

I believe this is how the index system was started in the first place? due to the lack of racer participation

Rich Wallin, are you the same Rich that worked for Ford?

yes, how is retirement treating you

[Michael Lyons]

I'll gladly race my 17" tire car verse a 9" tire car any day. The more the merrier.

3 tenths is fine, but a second woulda been kinda rough! :P friggin Beard, ***** stirrer.. lol

[Michael Beard]

Exactly the point... I think there are too many racers who think, "Oh, it's fine if they lower the indexes by (insert number .10 slower than what that racer can run in bad conditions), but no more than that!" Interestingly, there's a large contingent who bellow that "S/SS are PERFORMANCE classes!", yet many of those cry foul whenever anything is suggested that would result in more heads-up racing. Amazing.

Ed Wright -- Where did IHRA, Pro classes and spectators come into this?

And to the original post of this thread... doesn't that just show the combinations that have been underfactored all this time? I've said it a million times: factor everything reasonably once, and then you don't HAVE to have HP factoring/triggers, etc. for years! If these combinations were factored correctly in the first place, they could run all out without fear of getting more HP. Regardless, today's result could've been accomplished simply by moving the trigger .15 without touching the indexes.

[Sean Ward]

you guys kill me we have 2 cars a Q and T car with new fresh motors they will run under the indexes no problem but who cares i could care care less about how far under i go and if you can just run the index who cares unless u have a heads up if u cut a light and run the number u can go rounds hell u can even win do ya'll forget we all dial in it's not heads up unless u run some one in your class slow cars can win

[Rich Wallin]

Originally Posted by Sean Ward

you guys kill me we have 2 cars a Q and T car with new fresh motors they will run under the indexes no problem but who cares i could care care less about how far under i go and if you can just run the index who cares unless u have a heads up if u cut a light and run the number u can go rounds hell u can even win do ya'll forget we all dial in it's not heads up unless u run some one in your class slow cars can win

Sean, you are correct, my stuff will not go way under regardless, but if I can drive it I may go a few rounds just like you say, the issue is the index system is not broken, what needs fixing is the factoring system for engines that can or cannot run over or under the index, dropping the index just eliminated some racers who could just run the old index, NHRA eliminated some customers,

[Casey Miles]

Now that stock isn't truly stock any more, the indexing is for the garbage bin and let's move on to another way of looking at putting everyone at par. Go to pounds per cubic inch would make the field at a even level.

I've been doing this a long time and I'm one of the racers that couldn't run the index in qualifying, I had to step on the car to just get it to go .02 under in 1st round. My looking at is, is that why does my car have to weigh almost 3300 lbs and a car with more cubic inches then my car gets to run either the same weight or less. All of the index stuff and saving your car from getting factored would change if NHRA went to pounds per cubic inch. No more book factoring which every one knows is BS. I'm carring weight from cars that ran in the late 1960's and early 70's. My car is a 1969 Z/28 and is totally different from a 1967 Z/28 except for the emblem in the grill. There are big differences in the front H frame and engines and yet the 69 is rated and classified the same. If my car was factored correctly, it would be 290 HP instead of 309 which got it's factoring from a 1967 Z/28. That's is why I think that the book crap doesn't work! Go to weight to C.I. is my vote! That's when the real fast cars will start showing their muscle when they are carring the corrected weight to their class.


Casey Miles
248H

[Ed Wright]

[QUOTE=Michael Beard;169364]Exactly the point... I think there are too many racers who think, "Oh, it's fine if they lower the indexes by (insert number .10 slower than what that racer can run in bad conditions), but no more than that!" Interestingly, there's a large contingent who bellow that "S/SS are PERFORMANCE classes!", yet many of those cry foul whenever anything is suggested that would result in more heads-up racing. Amazing.

Ed Wright -- Where did IHRA, Pro classes and spectators come into this? [QUOTE]

More heads up pairings? I'm cool with that idea.
If by "the country club" you didn't mean NHRA, I appologize.

[Andys dad]

OK - believe it or not my original post here was "toung in cheek". I was not for the lowering of the indexes. I preferred to change the trigger point to bring some of the out of line combinations more in line. The race at Pomona proved the point. Now some out of line combinations will never get HP.

However, if the indexes had stayed the same and NHRA had lowered the trigger point to say, 1 second (as some have suggested) - ggeezzee - 45 cars out of 79 would have been flagged and that does not seem right either.

This is a rich mans sport. Stackers, motorhomes, $25,000 motors, etc. The days of working on your car on weekends and during the week and feeling good about your chances are gone, at least if you have a heads up or run for class. But niether of those happen that often. So I will just continue to bracket race in stock and hope my son gets back in the seat soon (college studies and athletics), since the only way I can cut .00 lights is if my foot slips off the brake.

LOL

The trigger point should be .85 under. Lowering the indexes should not have effected the AHFS. The two have nothing to do with each other.

Stay warm back there in the snow.

[Pat Cook]

Rich, retirement is good. I do miss the proving grounds, believe or not I was on those guys that enjoyed his job. I hate to see anybody get fired, but Mark Tammy Hota needed to be let go after selling the place. Send me an e-mail drgrcr1@hotmail.com