Update From Phoenix - Page 4

Andys dad · 02-28-2010, 08:50 PM

OK it must just be me but why does anyone make traction compound that not only does not work - it does the reverse of what it is suppose to do.

Bull I say.

I do not have a PHD in traction compounds, as some who have posted here, seem to have. Not sure where to acquire the knowledge. Have read about solution mixtures. Have read about cold track vs ?? (not cold track).

I can only say one thing in defense of the track and NHRA - I do not believe either of them would have wanted this to happen. Everybody wanted to complete the race(s).

Not sure why they did not do the National on Thursday when they had a crew and the safety equipment there for the test and tune.

Sure glad I reverted to "young and irresponsible" and went to the "race" instead of staying home. As Toby told me Friday "I knew you would come".

Drag racing is an addiction for which there is no cure or rehab.

Sorry for the rambling but I think I am suffering from post "no-race" syndrome.

Until next time.

Duster 7695 · 02-28-2010, 08:55 PM

Toby,
The PJ1(VHT) is cut with Methanol before it is sprayed on the track. When you gt the PH1 on your hands the best way to get it off is by washing your hands in straight methanol. They covered the track with straight methanol in an attempt to get rid of the compound that had already been applied. Obviously they did not get the track as good as was needed to be safe.

I'm sorry you, and many others made such a long trip only to see the race canceled. I am lucky, I only had to go 15 miles.

Raul

Toby Lang · 02-28-2010, 10:47 PM

Methanol, alcohol, pretty much the same thing, right?

Since you seem to know quite a bit about it, maybe you can answer my question.

If Don is correct and there are omly two types of PJ1, full strength and 25% cut, what would be the difference if you ordered one and got the other in terms of prepping the track? And do you think it could cause what happened this weekend?

-Toby

W J · 03-01-2010, 10:46 AM

Human error??? Maybe they were shipped the 25% . Track prep crew thought they had the full strength and cut it AGAIN.....this really could have screwed things, no? Just thinking out loud...WJ

Don Kennedy · 03-01-2010, 11:43 AM

WJ : Not sure if it was human error and the lack of finding a way to make the old racing surface work .
it is kinda of like when we have a engine that makes no power ,or we red light or we make the wrong decison in racing . i am sure of one thing, during the devisional FireBird employees as well as Mike Rice were all wanting to catch a good light or build a engine that makes power and make sure the track worked ,but they failed , but don't worry the track will correct the problem just like we as racers will correct any problems we may have in Our racing operations ?

Toby Lang · 03-01-2010, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W J

Human error??? Maybe they were shipped the 25% . Track prep crew thought they had the full strength and cut it AGAIN.....this really could have screwed things, no? Just thinking out loud...WJ

Not to beat a dead horse, but they said they found out they had the wrong product on Friday. I'm guessing that's when they made the decision to wash down the track and start over. If not, they should have been able to make adjustments Saturday.

If the reason they couldn't make it work is the track needs to be repaved, they should just come out and say it.

-Toby

Mark Yacavone · 03-01-2010, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

Not to beat a dead horse, but they said they found out they had the wrong product on Friday. I'm guessing that's when they made the decision to wash down the track and start over. If not, they should have been able to make adjustments Saturday.

If the reason they couldn't make it work is the track needs to be repaved, they should just come out and say it.

-Toby

Thanks Toby. Finally someone stated what's obvious to anyone who actually looked at the blacktop surface.

Bob Mulry · 03-01-2010, 04:03 PM

I figured about this time we could use some facts:

JP1 TrackBite was formally know as VHT Trackbite and according to their website they only sell 1 (one) traction compound.

VP manufactures 2 different traction compounds and they are known as Lane Choice 6 track Adhesive and LC6-Cold.

I do not know what was used on the Phoenix track and it might be neither of these traction compounds.

Leaving facts for a while:

It was my belief that NHRA for the National Events used NHRA people to apply VP traction compound and that was because the PRO's requested a traction compound that did not hook as hard because they wanted "wheel speed". LODRS meets had the track people apply JP1 Trackbite (formally known as VHT Trackbite) because the Sportsman wanted a maximum hook traction compound.

Bob

aspen7709 · 03-01-2010, 04:27 PM

If "cheap" charlie had not moved his race up one week (just so he did not have to compete with the golf tournement) he would have had ample time to figure out the track between races and dodged the weather! He wont promote the LODRS race with even a small radio spot or newspaper ad but he went out of his way to move his national.You see where his favoritism lies. He does not care about the racer and not even the precious spectator (as you can see with the whole antron incident).Until we have marketability we dont mean squat to NHRA or track owners as a whole. (not including Pat Joffrion , we all know he's different)

Jeff Stout · 03-01-2010, 05:24 PM

Can anyone for a FACT tell us what name brand or model glue was being used that was deemed wrong?

02-28-2010, 08:50 PM	#31
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Re: Update From Phoenix OK it must just be me but why does anyone make traction compound that not only does not work - it does the reverse of what it is suppose to do. Bull I say. I do not have a PHD in traction compounds, as some who have posted here, seem to have. Not sure where to acquire the knowledge. Have read about solution mixtures. Have read about cold track vs ?? (not cold track). I can only say one thing in defense of the track and NHRA - I do not believe either of them would have wanted this to happen. Everybody wanted to complete the race(s). Not sure why they did not do the National on Thursday when they had a crew and the safety equipment there for the test and tune. Sure glad I reverted to "young and irresponsible" and went to the "race" instead of staying home. As Toby told me Friday "I knew you would come". Drag racing is an addiction for which there is no cure or rehab. Sorry for the rambling but I think I am suffering from post "no-race" syndrome. Until next time. __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham

02-28-2010, 08:55 PM	#32
Duster 7695 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 140 Likes: 1 Liked 8 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Update From Phoenix Toby, The PJ1(VHT) is cut with Methanol before it is sprayed on the track. When you gt the PH1 on your hands the best way to get it off is by washing your hands in straight methanol. They covered the track with straight methanol in an attempt to get rid of the compound that had already been applied. Obviously they did not get the track as good as was needed to be safe. I'm sorry you, and many others made such a long trip only to see the race canceled. I am lucky, I only had to go 15 miles. Raul

02-28-2010, 10:47 PM	#33
Toby Lang VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 2,133 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Update From Phoenix Methanol, alcohol, pretty much the same thing, right? Since you seem to know quite a bit about it, maybe you can answer my question. If Don is correct and there are omly two types of PJ1, full strength and 25% cut, what would be the difference if you ordered one and got the other in terms of prepping the track? And do you think it could cause what happened this weekend? -Toby

03-01-2010, 10:46 AM	#34
W J Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Paxton, Massachusetts Posts: 638 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Update From Phoenix Human error??? Maybe they were shipped the 25% . Track prep crew thought they had the full strength and cut it AGAIN.....this really could have screwed things, no? Just thinking out loud...WJ

03-01-2010, 11:43 AM	#35
Don Kennedy VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Portland TN Posts: 1,590 Likes: 3,876 Liked 902 Times in 237 Posts	Re: Update From Phoenix WJ : Not sure if it was human error and the lack of finding a way to make the old racing surface work . it is kinda of like when we have a engine that makes no power ,or we red light or we make the wrong decison in racing . i am sure of one thing, during the devisional FireBird employees as well as Mike Rice were all wanting to catch a good light or build a engine that makes power and make sure the track worked ,but they failed , but don't worry the track will correct the problem just like we as racers will correct any problems we may have in Our racing operations ? __________________ Don Kennedy 7701 SS

03-01-2010, 04:03 PM	#38
Bob Mulry VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Coarsegold, CA Posts: 1,016 Likes: 57 Liked 320 Times in 102 Posts	Re: Update From Phoenix I figured about this time we could use some facts: JP1 TrackBite was formally know as VHT Trackbite and according to their website they only sell 1 (one) traction compound. VP manufactures 2 different traction compounds and they are known as Lane Choice 6 track Adhesive and LC6-Cold. I do not know what was used on the Phoenix track and it might be neither of these traction compounds. Leaving facts for a while: It was my belief that NHRA for the National Events used NHRA people to apply VP traction compound and that was because the PRO's requested a traction compound that did not hook as hard because they wanted "wheel speed". LODRS meets had the track people apply JP1 Trackbite (formally known as VHT Trackbite) because the Sportsman wanted a maximum hook traction compound. Bob __________________ Bob Mulry 7516 STK A & M Motorsports

03-01-2010, 04:27 PM	#39
aspen7709 Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: sunny,az Posts: 165 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Update From Phoenix If "cheap" charlie had not moved his race up one week (just so he did not have to compete with the golf tournement) he would have had ample time to figure out the track between races and dodged the weather! He wont promote the LODRS race with even a small radio spot or newspaper ad but he went out of his way to move his national.You see where his favoritism lies. He does not care about the racer and not even the precious spectator (as you can see with the whole antron incident).Until we have marketability we dont mean squat to NHRA or track owners as a whole. (not including Pat Joffrion , we all know he's different)

03-01-2010, 05:24 PM	#40
Jeff Stout VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: phoenix Posts: 1,486 Likes: 66 Liked 704 Times in 281 Posts	Re: Update From Phoenix Can anyone for a FACT tell us what name brand or model glue was being used that was deemed wrong?