A/SA First in the 9.80's

[ygbsm]

Geez some of you guys are real jerks. Why would I want to race with you?

I am on the list for a 2010 DP and have been reading these forums to educate myself and learn what kind of men I would be racing with. I've been a Mopar man since high school 20 years ago. I'm not too impressed with some of you so far. Being upset about HP is one thing, but personal attacks against DP and CJ owners/ drivers is a whole 'nother ball game. I thought you guys wanted new blood in your sport? Some of you don't act that way.

If this is the kind of reception I can expect every weekend, I'll go back to road racing where competitors are actually willing to help each other out.

[Dale Shannon]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Bob Shaw, an individual, went to the guide and found an old combination that was already there, and no one was racing, then took advantage of that.

Where as Ford and Chrysler, two mega dollar factories, went out and created purpose built race cars that were never intended to be street driven, and then went to NHRA and had them inserted into the guide with bogus HP ratings attached.

Nice try at comparing apples and oranges though. Good job with the name calling, too. Got anything else?

Ford and Chrysler are trying to sell ever car they can and this is a tool they are trying, you should be thankful they are using your sport and and not just discounting prices to Avis, enterprize to sell more cars.
Dale

[Ron Middleton]

ygbsm,
Just because you see a lot of grumbling here on this board doesn't mean that it's that way at the races. I've stock car raced, road raced and drag raced and I find more people willing to help and more friends in drag racing than I ever did in the other types of racing. Look at the qualifying sheets at most races and then look who post here. The forum doesn't have a lot of the regular racers posting here.
To be honest with you I've been working for several years on getting my Malibu compettitve for Stock Eliminator but haven't enetered a race yet(although I should later this year) and it's not a combo I would have searched and chosen but it was my son's first car we started building and after his death it just seemed like the thing to do. The 305 combo has been worked to death and it will fast(or I won't race it) but I like the newer FI cars and combos and my other stocker will probably be much faster(index wise) for far less money.
It's still fun and a bigger challenge than bracket racing(although you can still hone your driving skills at it with a stocker) and to me more fun than throttle stop racing. Road racing and stock car racing are by far more fun to drive(to me) but it is so much easier to drag race with a 1 man crew. Build your car and have fun racing, take all this with a grain of salt. Things have a way of working out in the end.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Why is it when Bob Shaw finds some combo and runs 1.75 plus under no one bitc#'s. But a CJ or DP runs fast and it the end of the world.

I fail to see how you wieners think the 435 hp CJ should not be in stock eliminator.
The eng is available in a street mustang from Fords.
Ford motor CO and the UAW built 50 units.
So what if it has a Super Charger big deal. Some cars have two carbs shuold we outlaw cars with two carbs in stock because it"s not fare?

Could someone please tell me how a CJ is less of a stock eliminator car then David Barton’s Race hemi with a AUTO (that it never came with)?

NONE of these "CARS" should be in stock elim. They are limited production units, not street legal, and the DP cars are not even complete cars from MoPar.. They should be in S/S with a correct HP (main problem) rating and as far as the single 4 Hemi cars like Bartons it should be a 4-speed stick ONLY as that was how they came for NASCAR racing and WITHOUT a hood scoop. As far as Bob Shaws car goes it just proves what a joke the AHFS is when someone finds a bogus HP rated car and they are the only one in existance racing NHRA . They can protect the HP rating forever.
All these guys want is a FAIR shake in the HP ratings dept. and NHRA didnt give it to them and this forum is about the only place that they can piss and moan about the problem other than writing a zillion letters to NHRA that no one reads or couldnt care less about that get trash canned anyway.

[hemidup]

Originally Posted by ygbsm

Geez some of you guys are real jerks. Why would I want to race with you?

I am on the list for a 2010 DP and have been reading these forums to educate myself and learn what kind of men I would be racing with. I've been a Mopar man since high school 20 years ago. I'm not too impressed with some of you so far. Being upset about HP is one thing, but personal attacks against DP and CJ owners/ drivers is a whole 'nother ball game. I thought you guys wanted new blood in your sport? Some of you don't act that way.

If this is the kind of reception I can expect every weekend, I'll go back to road racing where competitors are actually willing to help each other out.

Welcome to the site. I pretty much feel the same way as you and btw, how fat is your wallet?

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Why is it when Bob Shaw finds some combo and runs 1.75 plus under no one bitc#'s. But a CJ or DP runs fast and it the end of the world.

I fail to see how you wieners think the 435 hp CJ should not be in stock eliminator.
The eng is available in a street mustang from Fords.
Ford motor CO and the UAW built 50 units.
So what if it has a Super Charger big deal. Some cars have two carbs shuold we outlaw cars with two carbs in stock because it"s not fare?

Could someone please tell me how a CJ is less of a stock eliminator car then David Barton’s Race hemi with a AUTO (that it never came with)?

Wrong is wrong.

WRONG: If Shaw goes -1.75 under, it's underrated and needs refactored.

WRONG: The DP and CJ cars are not only underrated, but also not street legal cars that have no business in Stock. I think they'd be fine in Super Stock, just like the limited production Hemis. My crate motor car is more of a Stocker than a DP or CJ car. Are they awesome cars? Oh, absolutely! I love both of them -- just not in Stock, and not at the purposefully low HP factors.

WRONG: The fuel injected LS-1/LT-1's were underrated when they came out, as were the Mopar trucks, paper cars, ad infinitum.

WRONG: cars with transmissions they didn't come with, Corvette rear suspensions, 292 truck carbs, camshaft specs on some 4cyl Mopars, and yes, even hoodscoops on Crate Motor Dusters.

So yeah, I got a problem with it. This is kinda like the political parties each pointing fingers at the other saying, "But they're wrong TOO!" What the h*ll good is that? Wrong is wrong, period, and it's ALL a bunch of BS, and everybody knows it. It's just that now, the horse has been let out of the barn for so long that nobody cares to try to fix it, and now its everybody looking out for their own agenda instead of the big picture and what's right.

And oh, BTW, I would have no problem if IHRA said that crate motor cars don't belong in Stock, and put them in Super Stock.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Dale Shannon

Ford and Chrysler are trying to sell ever car they can and this is a tool they are trying, you should be thankful they are using your sport and and not just discounting prices to Avis, enterprize to sell more cars.
Dale

That works just as well as telling us all how these cars will "save Stock Eliminator" and will "bring massive media exposure". It ain't happening.

[dartman]

Originally Posted by FECARMAN

Good thing that FIAT saved Chrysler from extinction and your tax dollars are now building drag packs. I hope you feel good when you sign your tax return. Although, according to FOX News 36% of all Americans pay no income tax after their deductions and tax credits. I guess only a maximum of 64% of all American tax payers can feel good about drag pack Challengers. I just don't see that many happy people on Class Racer. Maybe it'd just me............

this must kill you that they are made in CANADA

[Dale Shannon]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

That works just as well as telling us all how these cars will "save Stock Eliminator" and will "bring massive media exposure". It ain't happening.

Well Alan I went to the track yesterday for the first time in about 5 yrs to watch stock and see the new CJ and Chryslers and by the way before I left home I watched Grace Howell on Pass Time. That is a start.
Dale

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Dale Shannon

Well Alan I went to the track yesterday for the first time in about 5 yrs to watch stock and see the new CJ and Chryslers and by the way before I left home I watched Grace Howell on Pass Time. That is a start.
Dale

Dale with your $$$$$$ you should buy a new Mustang and let Hawk and Kenny Milie race it for you. What a team ! I know how you just love to work on a race car......lol.