Input, take 2, & leave the politics out! - Page 4

Ed Wright · 01-10-2011, 04:33 PM

Bobby, that's what I'm hearing from guys buying the new diesels with the particulate filter. When towing they don't get the mileage the older truck did. They go into the filter cleaning mode often when towing, even more if you "turn the wick up".

Ed Wright · 01-10-2011, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

lol...................

Sorry. I don't know him.

7820 · 01-10-2011, 05:07 PM

I have friends that purchased 2009 3/4 ton and 1 ton diesel pickups and they are not happy with the fuel mileage. Smog equipment is apparently the major factor in the reduced fuel mileage.

In California you are now required to pass a smog check every two years on 1997 and newer.

Ron E · 01-10-2011, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken Miele

Wow, what a tough crowd. So all the literature is wrong on the 1/2 tons but its right when it comes to the 3/4 and 1 tons.

I think you need to take bais out of some or your opinions. No one here has ever towed with the new 2011 1/2 tons..

Exactly!!!!! And no one anywhere has towed with one after it's past 100K.
New product "literature" is known for being a little "nuanced" to put it mildly.

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Originally Posted by Ken Miele

Jeff, with all do respect, new is better, not a little ......... a whole lot ! Just a 5 year old truck is obsolete compared to the new stuff. Would you rather tow with a 1990 1 ton or a 2011?.

Ah....Bob, check the batteries in your caculator.

magnumv8 · 01-10-2011, 06:39 PM

Man this is REALLY unbiased?.....this is funny.....

Anyway, here is the deal....I tear apart and upfit the FORDS, CHEVYS and DODGES for a living, everything from 1/2 tons up, I see them everyday and drive them too, with and without trailers....pick your brand but the facts are that a 1/2 ton will always be a towing/daily driver compromise if you are towing a race car trailer....will it do the job?, yes, but there is always something better no matter what you have.....The better compromise would be a 3/4 ton....same physical size as a 1/2 ton but a LOT better for your towing needs without a large hit for fuel mileage, plus it gives you the diesel option since no one has pulled the trigger for a diesel 1/2 ton yet....the 3/4 ton gives you bigger bearings, bigger brakes, stronger transmissions and axle assemblies.....

Want to read an unbiased towing test pick up the latest DIESEL POWER mag and read the test pitting a 2011 FORD 1 ton against a 1 ton CHEVY.....it will let you know who really believes in their product....

I personally run the 3/4 ton diesel myself which works great for me cause I can let anyone drive it (my wife has driven over 80,000 miles in it herself) and I can pull darn near anything I want with it without any concerns.....

D L Rambo.....

Ed Wright · 01-10-2011, 07:58 PM

DL, how did that test turn out? How did the Dodge do? I have not seen that magazine.

Thanks

Ken Miele · 01-10-2011, 08:06 PM

Okay Ron, you have made it clear how you feel along with most. I am in the minority, but my opinion is the new truck Bob is looking at will work fine.

DL, Bob was looking for an alternative to a diesel. I think is pretty clear that a 3/4 ton diesel makes a great tow rig, he was just asking about other options.

Ed, I don't know Ken very well, maybe you can ask X-TECH MAN (Terry bell) what he does. He seems to know it all.

John Lang · 01-10-2011, 08:11 PM

Bob U., Look at the FORD Truck web site where they have an ongoing test of the eco trk (V-6) ! They have it on dyno for 160K miles, then they took it to Oregon to be a log skidder for an unknown length of time, I forgot what it was, then they took the truck to Hempstead track in FL, where they hooked up to a flatbead Trailer with 2 NASCAR race cars, weighing gross 11,300 # and towed it around the track for 24 hours, a total of approx 1625 mi, at an average speed of approx, 84mph ! They then took the same truck and ran a BAHA race in So Cal, and finished pretty well, then they headed back to the Dyno, and a teardown.! Myself, I was impressed !My self, I tow with my 96 Dodge dualie,w/cummins,w/5speed,and a 3.54 gear ! It has 322,000 mi, average mpg w/trailer @ 65mph is around 25-26 mpg! With trailer, 28' Pace Big Foot, golf cart, tools,3700 # car, and other sh#t, at 65 mph, 14-15 mpg. I was offered 3000.00 for the truck at my local dealer, told him to stuff it ! Its in nice condition ! You asked for opinions, thats mine ! Good Luck..........John

Ed Fernandez · 01-10-2011, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Miele

Okay Ron, you have made it clear how you feel along with most. I am in the minority, but my opinion is the new truck Bob is looking at will work fine.

DL, Bob was looking for an alternative to a diesel. I think is pretty clear that a 3/4 ton diesel makes a great tow rig, he was just asking about other options.

Ed, I don't know Ken very well, maybe you can ask X-TECH MAN (Terry bell) what he does. He seems to know it all.

I can tell you from experience.Ken is a Bon Vivant.I've seen him eat peanut butter and jelly
and a pepsi while watching reruns of South Park.

427_ED · 01-10-2011, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

I can tell you from experience.Ken is a Bon Vivant.I've seen him eat peanut butter and jelly
and a pepsi while watching reruns of South Park.

Sounds like good work if you can get it.

01-10-2011, 04:33 PM	#31
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Input, take 2, & leave the politics out! Bobby, that's what I'm hearing from guys buying the new diesels with the particulate filter. When towing they don't get the mileage the older truck did. They go into the filter cleaning mode often when towing, even more if you "turn the wick up". __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

01-10-2011, 05:07 PM	#33
7820 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 201 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Input, take 2, & leave the politics out! I have friends that purchased 2009 3/4 ton and 1 ton diesel pickups and they are not happy with the fuel mileage. Smog equipment is apparently the major factor in the reduced fuel mileage. In California you are now required to pass a smog check every two years on 1997 and newer. Last edited by 7820; 01-10-2011 at 05:50 PM.

01-10-2011, 06:39 PM	#35
magnumv8 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Coraopolis, Pa. Posts: 172 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Input, take 2, & leave the politics out! Man this is REALLY unbiased?.....this is funny..... Anyway, here is the deal....I tear apart and upfit the FORDS, CHEVYS and DODGES for a living, everything from 1/2 tons up, I see them everyday and drive them too, with and without trailers....pick your brand but the facts are that a 1/2 ton will always be a towing/daily driver compromise if you are towing a race car trailer....will it do the job?, yes, but there is always something better no matter what you have.....The better compromise would be a 3/4 ton....same physical size as a 1/2 ton but a LOT better for your towing needs without a large hit for fuel mileage, plus it gives you the diesel option since no one has pulled the trigger for a diesel 1/2 ton yet....the 3/4 ton gives you bigger bearings, bigger brakes, stronger transmissions and axle assemblies..... Want to read an unbiased towing test pick up the latest DIESEL POWER mag and read the test pitting a 2011 FORD 1 ton against a 1 ton CHEVY.....it will let you know who really believes in their product.... I personally run the 3/4 ton diesel myself which works great for me cause I can let anyone drive it (my wife has driven over 80,000 miles in it herself) and I can pull darn near anything I want with it without any concerns..... D L Rambo.....

01-10-2011, 07:58 PM	#36
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Input, take 2, & leave the politics out! DL, how did that test turn out? How did the Dodge do? I have not seen that magazine. Thanks __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

01-10-2011, 08:06 PM	#37
Ken Miele Live Reporter Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,862 Likes: 456 Liked 16,558 Times in 1,523 Posts	Re: Input, take 2, & leave the politics out! Okay Ron, you have made it clear how you feel along with most. I am in the minority, but my opinion is the new truck Bob is looking at will work fine. DL, Bob was looking for an alternative to a diesel. I think is pretty clear that a 3/4 ton diesel makes a great tow rig, he was just asking about other options. Ed, I don't know Ken very well, maybe you can ask X-TECH MAN (Terry bell) what he does. He seems to know it all.

01-10-2011, 08:11 PM	#38
John Lang Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sheboygan Wi Posts: 391 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Input, take 2, & leave the politics out! Bob U., Look at the FORD Truck web site where they have an ongoing test of the eco trk (V-6) ! They have it on dyno for 160K miles, then they took it to Oregon to be a log skidder for an unknown length of time, I forgot what it was, then they took the truck to Hempstead track in FL, where they hooked up to a flatbead Trailer with 2 NASCAR race cars, weighing gross 11,300 # and towed it around the track for 24 hours, a total of approx 1625 mi, at an average speed of approx, 84mph ! They then took the same truck and ran a BAHA race in So Cal, and finished pretty well, then they headed back to the Dyno, and a teardown.! Myself, I was impressed !My self, I tow with my 96 Dodge dualie,w/cummins,w/5speed,and a 3.54 gear ! It has 322,000 mi, average mpg w/trailer @ 65mph is around 25-26 mpg! With trailer, 28' Pace Big Foot, golf cart, tools,3700 # car, and other sh#t, at 65 mph, 14-15 mpg. I was offered 3000.00 for the truck at my local dealer, told him to stuff it ! Its in nice condition ! You asked for opinions, thats mine ! Good Luck..........John __________________ John Lang 365 STK, SS