Test & Tune Pricing

[Dave Ribeiro]

Danny Latimore , you have a PM .........

[Dan Lattimore]

Originally Posted by Dave Ribeiro

Danny Latimore , you have a PM .........

Dave-----Can't make the pm thing work. Will call you later-----Danny

[7423]

Originally Posted by A56

We are lucky enough to have a lot of Summit Series bracket races up here in northern Calif. at Infenion. The track prep is better than both the National and the Divisional. I try to go to every one of these, and I pretty much test every run till im out of things to try. I think we all have Summit Series bracket races, and I can only assume that its fairly inexpensive, if I remember correctly its about 50 or 60 bucks to race at Infenion in Pro. I have more fun and tend to drive better than any NHRA event, maybe because im just there to have fun, and to test. I think anyone that dosent go to there local track and race this series is crazy, its cheap , its fun, the competition is good, and I can go as fast as I want. I generally only see a few Stockers or Super Stockers out there testing , but those that have gone realize its the best bang for your buck.

Mark Lelchook
E/SA #704

Well said Mark............
I find it a shame that most "class racers" do not bracket race. They must think it is sacrilegious. Most of the time the gate is cheaper, the payout is greater than any NHRA race and you are home that night.
If there is any doubt, just ask Mark Faul.

BTW Mark.............if you are coming south for the Holiday, shoot me a PM, lets have a beer.

[Tom396]

At the outlaw track, 15 minutes from my front door, there is a $20 car and driver fee to test and tune. The owner raised that fee, two years ago, from $10. Not because he wanted to make more money, but because he wanted to make the crowd smaller. They were filling the place up so badly that many of the spectators were parking out on the road and it was getting to be a real nuisance for local residents. And yes, the track surface prep is just fine. Take care. Tom Worthington

[Mark Faul]

Originally Posted by 7423

BTW Mark.............if you are coming south for the Holiday, shoot me a PM, lets have a beer.

Hi Charlie. I'm staying home for the holidays, but thanks for the offer. Will have to wait till the Winternationals. As long as I make it there.

Originally Posted by A56

We are lucky enough to have a lot of Summit Series bracket races up here in northern Calif. at Infenion. The track prep is better than both the National and the Divisional. I try to go to every one of these, and I pretty much test every run till im out of things to try. I think we all have Summit Series bracket races, and I can only assume that its fairly inexpensive, if I remember correctly its about 50 or 60 bucks to race at Infenion in Pro. I have more fun and tend to drive better than any NHRA event, maybe because im just there to have fun, and to test. I think anyone that dosent go to there local track and race this series is crazy, its cheap , its fun, the competition is good, and I can go as fast as I want. I generally only see a few Stockers or Super Stockers out there testing , but those that have gone realize its the best bang for your buck.

Mark Lelchook
E/SA #704

Mark, there will be a lot more S/SS cars testing and running Summit races here with our current lack of tracks schedule..... Best bang for the buck out here for sure.

[LNorton]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Well, we pay various fees, some of which supposedly go toward track prep. I don't know about you, but I have this really bizarre desire to get whatever I paid for, at least within reason. If part of what I am charged at the gate is supposed to go toward the cost of track prep, then I figure it is reasonable of me to expect decent traction on the starting line.

We can test for $20 on a well prepped track or $15 on a junk track. Will go to both depending on what we are trying to accomplish. I've heard plenty of complaints about the racing surface at divisional and national events in the past few years. Makes me wonder why you wouldn't want to have a setup for when you end up on a junk racing surface.

If the track is junk at an event, then it's junk for everybody, not just you. The difference maker is if you can get down a track that isn't prepped well.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by LNorton

We can test for $20 on a well prepped track or $15 on a junk track. Will go to both depending on what we are trying to accomplish. I've heard plenty of complaints about the racing surface at divisional and national events in the past few years. Makes me wonder why you wouldn't want to have a setup for when you end up on a junk racing surface.

If the track is junk at an event, then it's junk for everybody, not just you. The difference maker is if you can get down a track that isn't prepped well.

while there has definitely been some complaints about track conditions this year, the point is that should never happen at a divisional or national. We should not have to set up for a crap track at a divisional or national.

[Don Kennedy]

Originally Posted by LNorton

We can test for $20 on a well prepped track or $15 on a junk track. Will go to both depending on what we are trying to accomplish. I've heard plenty of complaints about the racing surface at divisional and national events in the past few years. Makes me wonder why you wouldn't want to have a setup for when you end up on a junk racing surface.

If the track is junk at an event, then it's junk for everybody, not just you. The difference maker is if you can get down a track that isn't prepped well.

The higher HP cars no doubt have a harder time going down a bad track than the lower HP cars

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by LNorton

We can test for $20 on a well prepped track or $15 on a junk track. Will go to both depending on what we are trying to accomplish. I've heard plenty of complaints about the racing surface at divisional and national events in the past few years. Makes me wonder why you wouldn't want to have a setup for when you end up on a junk racing surface.

If the track is junk at an event, then it's junk for everybody, not just you. The difference maker is if you can get down a track that isn't prepped well.

I figure most of what I work on gets down the track pretty well already. A new set of slicks will more than likely solve the problems with the Super Stock car.

The solution is not to accept poor track prep at an event, considering a weekend at an event costs around $1000, or more. The solution is to stop accepting poor track prep, and make it plain that it is not acceptable.

While you are only concerned about consistency and winning races, our friends in other classes are concerned about crashing their race cars and getting injured or killed.

It's a really bad thing when we struggle to get down the track in our Stock Eliminator car, most people say it is one of the best working cars around. The Super Stock car, well, we'll find out about that in a month or so. It's a lot worse when one of my Super Gas customers gets sideways due to bad track prep and ends up looking at the wall, or his competitor, at over 100MPH. That wrecks cars, and worse yet, injures or kills people. We as racers need to stop tolerating that from sanctioning bodies. It's unacceptable.

We pay around $200 per car for a division race, and around $300 for a national event. Between diesel and food, we add another $300 to $500 or so. It is time racers stopped accepting inadequate track prep at events. We're paying for track prep, we have a reasonable expectation of getting good track prep.

You say we should just accept poor track prep, and learn to live with it. Despite paying for track prep. What's next? Should we bring our own timing equipment? Do we need to get together and hire our own EMT and ambulance? I do not charge my customers for something I do not give them. Why should we, and my customers, just accept that a sanctioning body is charging us for something we are not going to get?

When you go to a restaurant, do you just accept poorly prepared food and learn to deal with it? When you go to the theater, do you just accept broken speakers and a blurry picture? If you stay in a hotel, do you accept dirty sheets and a stopped up toilet?

When you go anywhere, and accept less than what you paid for, you're telling the proprietor that it is acceptable to rip you off. When you go back, and accept it again, you're telling them you like getting ripped off. You're making it worse for yourself, and everyone else involved. I don't run my business that way, and I don't expect to be treated that way.