It is time to change the Point System

[theworm]

Originally Posted by Don Kennedy

This idea is not about me ,I am smarter than that to spend all that money for virtually no return in chasing the points . this is my point there should be a fresher points chase system in todays economic environment that would be more fair to all including the touring pros

Don there is an easy fix to this. Only count your first 5 in div races and any 3 national events this will show who the real racers are not who has the most money and time on there hands to travel all over the usa. My first year in stock i went to 5 in div races and won the div i went to 3 nat events and finished # 10. Could of done better but did not have the money or the time to do it.This would cut down the cost of chasing a championship and i still have time to do my bracket racing.WORM

[HR9121]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

With No heads ups, first round bye backs, and a gamblers race as well!
Great idea.

Actually none of those apply in the TOC race but don't give them any ideas.

[Jeff Lee]

For a "performance based class", there is no points incentive to out qualify, or set national records.
I envision somebody with a top performing car being able to upset the balance of the points structure against traveling bracket racers that can't (or won't; doesn't matter which) build a vehicle capable of setting records or being a top 5 qualifier. And that vehicle could be a new DP or CJ car that opens up the throttle a little more each session or it could be an old Rambler that will give it all in order to set a record or be #1 qualifier.
And in the end, the AHFS will run on an accelerated curve for those that want or need the extra points!

The current points system favors those with the $$$ to travel the entire continent and disfavors those that do not.

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by Stang_Bang

01 Jackie Alley 651 5/7
02 Peter Biondo 634 10/8
03 David Rampy 625 14/8

If the whole going to every race theory was true then what happened in SS? World Championships are not meant to be an easy task to accomplish. I think our system is perfect now because even if you go to every single race you can only claim 3 nationals and 5 divisionals. In my opinion points is not the problem it's the payout's. Pay 5k to the winner at a national event and tell me if the racing economy doesnt start to get better in NHRA.

Yes, but YOU get to pick the best of those 3 nationals and 5 divisional races.
Now if it was "claim the race before you tech", then it would be perfectly acceptable. Yep, you have a bad day and go out 1st round then that's not a big payday on points. But with the current system, if I travel the continent, I can have many bad days and still come out ahead because I pick the gory days and throw out the bad days. If your a great racer, a truly great racer, you should have no problem in claiming a race before, not after.
Kinda like speed dating instead of a single blind date...

[Don Kennedy]

if it were me I would have a points system for the national championship This way.

A racer can get points at your home division only ,your best 5 divisional races count as points out of 7 races . If you set a national record , you get points , if You qualifiy number one you get points . The the top two or three of each division show up for The National championship ,either at a race specially for them , or have a round robin type format or the normal format for eliminations . .

The reason in This economic enviroinment is very obvious Money and time is not there for over 90% of the racers to chase the points .

Right now the present system is set up for the 10% to 15 % of the racers who either have a lot of money to race or have a lot of time to race . Just look at who at the winners the last ten years , heck i bet even they would like this system especially now .

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

If we're going to change the points system for Stock Eliminator and Super Stock, the changes should be to reflect the performance based nature of the classes.

We should be paying points for qualifying 1 thru 10, for class eliminations, for class wins, and for national records, we should also be paying bonus points for heads up wins in final eliminations.

Yep, add that to the list also.

[Charley Downing]

Whatever you say Ralph/Leroy. I know more than you think.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Billy

And some ugly old 301 Grand Prixs too

My apologies for neglecting the obvious sales spike that would occur for Grand Prix.

Originally Posted by Don Kennedy

A racer can get points at your home division only

I've long considered the "accident of proximity" a poor yardstick for geographic divisions. Just because someone lives in Div. 2 doesn't mean that they're close to more than one LODRS located in that Division, and then you're also locking people into a fairly strict schedule. If you want to get into it, really the idea of geographic regions is somewhat antiquated. The primary reason for having Divisions is just for folks that don't want to travel as much, but if you're going to "fix" a points system to make travel less of a burden, then can the idea of "Divisions" entirely, add the awards and funds to the national chase, and make all LODRS wildcards. Go to the (however many) races that are close for YOU, and/or fit YOUR schedule.

No, I'm not advocating the sweeping change. Just enjoying the mental gymnastics.

[442OLDS]

Since this thread is about points,I will throw in my $4.42

If you go to a race with less than 64 cars and lose in the third round,you get 51 points.

If you go to a race with MORE than 64 cars (like in Division 1 and 3) and lose in the third round,you only get 50 points.

If you WIN a 6 round race,you get 105 points

If you WIN a 7 round race,you also get 105 points


(Seems like you get ripped off points for competing in divisions with higher car counts)

[The Hawk]

Originally Posted by Don Kennedy

if it were me I would have a points system for the national championship This way.

A racer can get points at your home division only ,your best 5 divisional races count as points out of 7 races . If you set a national record , you get points , if You qualifiy number one you get points . The the top two or three of each division show up for The National championship ,either at a race specially for them , or have a round robin type format or the normal format for eliminations . .

The reason in This economic enviroinment is very obvious Money and time is not there for over 90% of the racers to chase the points .

Right now the present system is set up for the 10% to 15 % of the racers who either have a lot of money to race or have a lot of time to race . Just look at who at the winners the last ten years , heck i bet even they would like this system especially now .

That idea to me isn`t worth a dime Don. Division 5 takes that one in the shorts.