Fuel Injection - Page 4

Ed Wright · 01-02-2015, 05:43 PM

Jeff, you have a point more compression than mine, ten cubic inches, bigger valves, bigger ports, much bigger throttle body, and a hp factor of 275, with about 60 more CFM intake port flow. The fiat engineers designed your heads & intake as a race engine deal. Mine was a 50 states emissions legal street engine that got great gas mileage. I know how fast Lloyd's 360" DP could run in SS/IA, if you can't run nines you need to work on that sucker. And, no, mine is not as fast as Ricky Decker's. As I have said before, I don't claim to be fast. There are a lot of guys faster than I.

If you think everybodies fast runs are in Nitro Joe's, I have some ocean front property up here for sale. LMBO

But, I know that you know better than that.

Jeff Teuton · 01-02-2015, 06:27 PM

Ed, the 360 is at 284. That 'super head' is an Edlebrock from about 2003 or 2004. Just got a Mopar # on it, and a higher price. If you think these are good, you should have seen them in Top Stock configuration. What IHRA did in those days, they took the three approved small block motors and gave each one the runner volume, chamber, the same. Do what you want, just pour. All the same. Not a bad method. If you take the 360 DP head, and use the Chev volume, it's worth about 30 more. But then again, I don't know what chevy head they were using. They all look like doorstops.

Nitro, far be it from me to question your published numbers. We all hear about these 'ghost' runs, but they never seem to have scales, fuel, or at some race nobody cares. When I see that 360 go in the 8's, I'm gonna buy it, or trade beer for it. Sure gets the multitudes talking.
I pulled up the formula for Compression Ratio, and LT1 came out about 12 to 1. The Decker motor is published @ 12 to 1. Mine is 11 I think.
As for the fastest run not being in Nitro Joe's, refer to the ghost runs mentioned above. If the runs were not at a points or national race, then all you have is conjucture. You know, as far as I know, if you don't get caught speeding, you don't get a ticket, and it don't go on your record. Probably different in Oklahome and Penn.

Ed Wright · 01-02-2015, 07:19 PM

Jeff, you need to go trade some beer for Lloyd's car, or hire James to build your engines.
You need a new calculator if you took the LT1 engine specs and came up with 12-1 compression. The GM heads Top Stock used were LT4, much bigger ports. That engine came in some 1996 Corvettes, and Pontiac Firehawks that SLP built for GM. That is not what Mr Decker and I have. I don't have an engine building business like you, nor a professionally built engine. I cobble my junk together best I can in my 2 car garage here at home, using all I can afford on Social Security. I'm not wealthy like you.
Do you ever hook up the other two barrels?

Jeff Teuton · 01-02-2015, 11:10 PM

You missed my point. The heads we run on the dp cars have much smaller runners than that head, the LT4 I think you said. You and Decker got the same motor? They both 275/279. I can't run with the fast cars. There are more slow ones, than fast ones. We are a small community. I think I will put a 5.7 motor in my car and run ss/ja. Ain't that your class? Ed, you really have to expand your horizon. You have wore out the big valve, big port etc. Maybe the 70 MM cam or something like that. Let me think about it, and my people will get back to you.

Ed Wright · 01-02-2015, 11:26 PM

Jeff, I clearly said the LT4 was a different heads. Not what we can run.
Read it again. Maybe wait until tomorrow before you hit the beer again.

I hope you know big head flow is where the power is? I know you sell cars, so maybe ask "your guys". The only way that 360" could be slow would be somebody not trying. Nobody knowledgable would look at the 360" DP blueprint specs vs the LT1 specs would say the 360" should not be rated a good bit higher than the LT1, much less lower like it is. Ray Charles in his present condition could see that. Especially if they talked to a cylinder head shop about the flow numbers. I have talked to two SS head porting shops. Was told the same thing by both. "No was an LT1 should be able to run with a 360" DP." I would hope by now you would know what a big deal the heads are. Ask James Caro about cylinder heads. Ask Sammy P, next time he comes in, if the heads aren't the big deal. Everybody else seems to know. That 1000 CFM throttle body doesn't hurt either. I flowed mine, under 700 CFM.
Heck, Jeff, won't your car fit SS/JA with a 360"? You can probably get them to let you. LOL Pull some weight out. I'll help you get some badly needed hp.
Sober up Jeff. LMBO

davidhuff · 01-03-2015, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Jeff, I clearly said the LT4 was a different heads. Not what we can run.
Read it again. Maybe wait until tomorrow before you hit the beer again.

I hope you know big head flow is where the power is? I know you sell cars, so maybe ask "your guys". The only way that 360" could be slow would be somebody not trying. Nobody knowledgable would look at the 360" DP blueprint specs vs the LT1 specs would say the 360" should not be rated a good bit higher than the LT1, much less lower like it is. Ray Charles in his present condition could see that. Especially if they talked to a cylinder head shop about the flow numbers. I have talked to two SS head porting shops. Was told the same thing by both. "No was an LT1 should be able to run with a 360" DP." I would hope by now you would know what a big deal the heads are. Ask James Caro about cylinder heads. Ask Sammy P, next time he comes in, if the heads aren't the big deal. Everybody else seems to know. That 1000 CFM throttle body doesn't hurt either. I flowed mine, under 700 CFM.
Heck, Jeff, won't your car fit SS/JA with a 360"? You can probably get them to let you. LOL Pull some weight out. I'll help you get some badly needed hp.
Sober up Jeff. LMBO

Beer,that is whiskey talk!LOL

01-02-2015, 05:43 PM	#31
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Fuel Injection Jeff, you have a point more compression than mine, ten cubic inches, bigger valves, bigger ports, much bigger throttle body, and a hp factor of 275, with about 60 more CFM intake port flow. The fiat engineers designed your heads & intake as a race engine deal. Mine was a 50 states emissions legal street engine that got great gas mileage. I know how fast Lloyd's 360" DP could run in SS/IA, if you can't run nines you need to work on that sucker. And, no, mine is not as fast as Ricky Decker's. As I have said before, I don't claim to be fast. There are a lot of guys faster than I. If you think everybodies fast runs are in Nitro Joe's, I have some ocean front property up here for sale. LMBO But, I know that you know better than that. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

01-02-2015, 06:27 PM	#32
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Fuel Injection Ed, the 360 is at 284. That 'super head' is an Edlebrock from about 2003 or 2004. Just got a Mopar # on it, and a higher price. If you think these are good, you should have seen them in Top Stock configuration. What IHRA did in those days, they took the three approved small block motors and gave each one the runner volume, chamber, the same. Do what you want, just pour. All the same. Not a bad method. If you take the 360 DP head, and use the Chev volume, it's worth about 30 more. But then again, I don't know what chevy head they were using. They all look like doorstops. Nitro, far be it from me to question your published numbers. We all hear about these 'ghost' runs, but they never seem to have scales, fuel, or at some race nobody cares. When I see that 360 go in the 8's, I'm gonna buy it, or trade beer for it. Sure gets the multitudes talking. I pulled up the formula for Compression Ratio, and LT1 came out about 12 to 1. The Decker motor is published @ 12 to 1. Mine is 11 I think. As for the fastest run not being in Nitro Joe's, refer to the ghost runs mentioned above. If the runs were not at a points or national race, then all you have is conjucture. You know, as far as I know, if you don't get caught speeding, you don't get a ticket, and it don't go on your record. Probably different in Oklahome and Penn. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK Last edited by Jeff Teuton; 01-02-2015 at 06:34 PM.

01-02-2015, 07:19 PM	#33
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Fuel Injection Jeff, you need to go trade some beer for Lloyd's car, or hire James to build your engines. You need a new calculator if you took the LT1 engine specs and came up with 12-1 compression. The GM heads Top Stock used were LT4, much bigger ports. That engine came in some 1996 Corvettes, and Pontiac Firehawks that SLP built for GM. That is not what Mr Decker and I have. I don't have an engine building business like you, nor a professionally built engine. I cobble my junk together best I can in my 2 car garage here at home, using all I can afford on Social Security. I'm not wealthy like you. Do you ever hook up the other two barrels? __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

01-02-2015, 11:10 PM	#34
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Fuel Injection You missed my point. The heads we run on the dp cars have much smaller runners than that head, the LT4 I think you said. You and Decker got the same motor? They both 275/279. I can't run with the fast cars. There are more slow ones, than fast ones. We are a small community. I think I will put a 5.7 motor in my car and run ss/ja. Ain't that your class? Ed, you really have to expand your horizon. You have wore out the big valve, big port etc. Maybe the 70 MM cam or something like that. Let me think about it, and my people will get back to you. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

01-02-2015, 11:26 PM	#35
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Fuel Injection Jeff, I clearly said the LT4 was a different heads. Not what we can run. Read it again. Maybe wait until tomorrow before you hit the beer again. I hope you know big head flow is where the power is? I know you sell cars, so maybe ask "your guys". The only way that 360" could be slow would be somebody not trying. Nobody knowledgable would look at the 360" DP blueprint specs vs the LT1 specs would say the 360" should not be rated a good bit higher than the LT1, much less lower like it is. Ray Charles in his present condition could see that. Especially if they talked to a cylinder head shop about the flow numbers. I have talked to two SS head porting shops. Was told the same thing by both. "No was an LT1 should be able to run with a 360" DP." I would hope by now you would know what a big deal the heads are. Ask James Caro about cylinder heads. Ask Sammy P, next time he comes in, if the heads aren't the big deal. Everybody else seems to know. That 1000 CFM throttle body doesn't hurt either. I flowed mine, under 700 CFM. Heck, Jeff, won't your car fit SS/JA with a 360"? You can probably get them to let you. LOL Pull some weight out. I'll help you get some badly needed hp. Sober up Jeff. LMBO __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA Last edited by Ed Wright; 01-03-2015 at 08:22 AM. Reason: Forgot something....