nhra info on the FS/X Classes?

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Not hardly as the same cars would have been on the top of the sheet -- just lifting early .Poor effort ??? - mine is based on fact and numbers - not agenda .Not one car would have moved up if the AHFS were in effect .

And BTW I do care about racers who didn't make the field -- much,much more than most ! !

Lifting early?? Glad you know the driving habits and tune on all these cars. They need to be in their own Eliminator. nhra should add extra dough to the pot to incentivize the FS/X cars. nhra could generate the money from all the additional racers who would try to qualify when the FS/X cars have their own eliminator.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

They need to be in their own Eliminator. nhra should add extra dough to the pot to incentivize the FS/X cars. nhra could generate the money from all the additional racers who would try to qualify when the FS/X cars have their own eliminator.

Or they could find a sponsor.......

[Signman]

In a given eliminator there should be no rules advantage for any individual or goup of competitiors perceived or real for any entry.
Having no fear of HP at an event with good air is a real advantage.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by signman

in a given eliminator there should be no rules advantage for any individual or goup of competitiors perceived or real for any entry.
Having no fear of hp at an event with good air is a real advantage.

x2

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

BTW, no one is mentioning the fact that 14 new cars didn't qualify at Indy last year also.

There were sixty-seven (67) new cars at Indy. Of them, fifty-eight (58) made the 128 car field (all in the top 117). So only nine (9) new cars DNQ'd. And two of those broke early in qualifying (Skillman on the first run) or they undoubtedly would have made the field.

Also of note, twenty-one (21) cars made a run fast enough (-1.20 or more under) to receive horsepower. And only five (5) of them actually got it, since those five were in their natural class (three new cars, two older trucks). So sixteen (16) cars got a free pass.

Had the AHFS applied to all cars, would all the FSS cars qualified? I would bet almost every dollar I own that they would have. They merely would have just run quick enough to make the show (-.882 bump). The FSS cars would have just gone -1.02, -1.05 or whatever to make the show. The sixteen cars that never got HP that should have would have still been in; they just wouldn't all have been at the top; nineteen [19] of the top twenty-four [24] qualifiers were in a FSS class, and thus exempt from HP (and sixteen of those nineteen should have received it for a more-than -1.20 under run).

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2014#indextop

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

There were sixty-seven (67) new cars at Indy. Of them, fifty-eight (58) made the 128 car field (all in the top 117). So only nine (9) new cars DNQ'd. And two of those broke early in qualifying (Skillman on the first run) or they undoubtedly would have made the field.

Also of note, twenty-one (21) cars made a run fast enough (-1.20 or more under) to receive horsepower. And only five (5) of them actually got it, since those five were in their natural class (three new cars, two older trucks). So sixteen (16) cars got a free pass.

Had the AHFS applied to all cars, would all the FSS cars qualified? I would bet almost every dollar I own that they would have. They merely would have just run quick enough to make the show (-.882 bump). The FSS cars would have just gone -1.02, -1.05 or whatever to make the show. The sixteen cars that never got HP that should have would have still been in; they just wouldn't all have been at the top; nineteen [19] of the top twenty-four [24] qualifiers were in a FSS class, and thus exempt from HP (and sixteen of those nineteen should have received it for a more-than -1.20 under run).

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2014#indextop

Thank you - that is exactly my point - they would have still qualified .........

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

There were sixty-seven (67) new cars at Indy. Of them, fifty-eight (58) made the 128 car field (all in the top 117). So only nine (9) new cars DNQ'd. And two of those broke early in qualifying (Skillman on the first run) or they undoubtedly would have made the field.

Also of note, twenty-one (21) cars made a run fast enough (-1.20 or more under) to receive horsepower. And only five (5) of them actually got it, since those five were in their natural class (three new cars, two older trucks). So sixteen (16) cars got a free pass.

Had the AHFS applied to all cars, would all the FSS cars qualified? I would bet almost every dollar I own that they would have. They merely would have just run quick enough to make the show (-.882 bump). The FSS cars would have just gone -1.02, -1.05 or whatever to make the show. The sixteen cars that never got HP that should have would have still been in; they just wouldn't all have been at the top; nineteen [19] of the top twenty-four [24] qualifiers were in a FSS class, and thus exempt from HP (and sixteen of those nineteen should have received it for a more-than -1.20 under run).

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2014#indextop

The point of this thread is that the FS/X cars are exempt from the ahfs while the rest of the cars are not. The ahfs does not work overnight unless a racer goes -1.20 or more under. The ahfs should be in affect for all Q and E runs for all cars in Stock at Divisional and National Events. And I'm tired of hearing what a racer would merely have to do to beat the ahfs. Who knows what they would do? We saw a C or D Challenger go in the 9's at Indy a few years ago and we saw a new Camaro bomb the index at Indy last year. So coulda, shoulda, woulda doesn't work. These cars belong in their own eliminator and nhra should step up with the cash and do it right instead of on the cheap through Stock. Especially if they intend on making these cars the Pro Stock of the future.

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

The point of this thread is that the FS/X cars are exempt from the ahfs while the rest of the cars are not. The ahfs does not work overnight unless a racer goes -1.20 or more under. The ahfs should be in affect for all Q and E runs for all cars in Stock at Divisional and National Events. And I'm tired of hearing what a racer would merely have to do to beat the ahfs. Who knows what they would do? We saw a C or D Challenger go in the 9's at Indy a few years ago and we saw a new Camaro bomb the index at Indy last year. So coulda, shoulda, woulda doesn't work. These cars belong in their own eliminator and nhra should step up with the cash and do it right instead of on the cheap through Stock. Especially if they intend on making these cars the Pro Stock of the future.

I agree with all that. If you intend to run for one of the 128 spots starting Saturday--you get horsepower for a -1.20 run. Period.

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by Sean Marconette

It would be really easy to fix this, and then everyone would be happy. No AHFS for ALL stock eliminator cars at the races where the FS race is contested.

These are the same complaints that have existed since these cars were exempt from the AHFS. Same problem different year.

Sean

^^ agree !






That would be a super easy fix and it would generate alot more excitement at those events.

That would be wild seeing the traditional Stockers hang it all out without penalty at National events.

[rod butcher]

The rules need to be the same for all cars in stock eliminator at each race. At the very least there should be no ahfs when they run these shootouts. NHRA and the auto manufacturers might not like the result, as they seem to have a need to have these cars at the top of the qualifying sheet, as there are plenty of fast old cars laying in the weeds.