Going DEEP.... - Page 4

cicero819 · 12-01-2015, 03:42 PM

NHRA wanted to get rid of the slower cars, this would shorten time allowed for stock eliminator and would remove many from running competitively for class at National events. Look what has happen in Class, hardly any cars populate the lower echelons.Now more time can be spent letting the pros have ten guys cleaning their tires before a run.CR.

Bunkster · 12-01-2015, 05:21 PM

“Going DEEP”: Kinda the dirty cousin of the baffling “first red light” thing.

Who in their right mind could possibly be against the worst red light loses?

Only those that believe there is any value to the ongoing Paris “Global Climate Talks” could think a “first red light loses” makes sense.

If you believe that the first red light ought to lose, then you certainly believe in “Global Climate Control”.

JOE ZOOM · 12-01-2015, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by j gardiner

that's right you do what you hafta do, which would include deep staging.

x2

Signman · 12-01-2015, 06:29 PM

You are allowed to deep stage just don't put out the top bulb

Ed Fernandez · 12-01-2015, 07:07 PM

Bill, sorry to disappoint you but Toby was the King of the Deep Stagers. I felt I needed to DS but after the rule change me,Toby and every other deep stager adapted. In the end I found a way (mentally and mechanically ) to adapt and found you could hit the tree with a car going 1.75 to 1.78 sixty foot.
And all this time I thought I was an icon in Billy's mind. Cest la vie.

JOE ZOOM · 12-01-2015, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

You don't think it was because deep staging makes your ET show slower? You can run faster than the clocks show? Only very slow cars can get a green light doing that. What is right about some cars being able to actually break out, and not show it? The vast majority of cars can not get a green light that way. If it was ever put to a vote of the racers, it would lose.

Ed,...No disrespect but....
You don't think it was because deep staging makes your ET show shower?
You can run faster than the clocks show?......

So Ed if you swallow stage and drop it at the thousand you aren't showing what to can run either......

Only very slow cars can get a green light doing that...
Took my stocker to englishtown for a bracket race....80% of the cars dialing from 9.00 to 15.99 deep stage.....

Joe Mocci m/sa

Ed Wright · 12-01-2015, 10:01 PM

[QUOTE=JOE ZOOM;489181]Ed,...No disrespect but....
You don't think it was because deep staging makes your ET show shower?
You can run faster than the clocks show?......[QUOTE]

Isn't that what I said, Joe? Of course, that is why many bracket racers do that. You can actually run a little quicker than the clocks show. That is the point.

[QUOTE] So Ed if you swallow stage and drop it at the thousand you aren't showing what to can run either......[QUOTE]

Not sure how that is related.

[QUOTE]Only very slow cars can get a green light doing that...
Took my stocker to englishtown for a bracket race....80% of the cars dialing from 9.00 to 15.99 deep [QUOTE]

Joe, evidently not all fast foot brake cars react fast. Before Eastexas Race Cars back halved my SS car I could deep stage and get a green light. Not now. Imediately had to go to 28" front tires, lower my 2 step RPM, and find a slower button. I still struggle with red lights. No way I could deep stage now and be green. Hard to imagin a good working nine second car reacting slow enough to be green while deep staging. That takes a slow reacting car-and-or-driver.

That's the rule. I'm done.

1320racer · 12-01-2015, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Hard to imagin a good working nine second car reacting slow enough to be green while deep staging.

what defines a "good working nine second car" to you?

Ed Wright · 12-01-2015, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer

what defines a "good working nine second car" to you?

Guess I should have said: Nobody I know has a nine second car that reacts slow enough to deep stage. I guess a driver could be that slow reacting. Again, nobody I know.

1320racer · 12-01-2015, 10:43 PM

well take it for what's it's worth since I'm not a class racer but to Joe's point, it can be and is done with fast cars.

My MPR built Super Stock GT Firebird by all accounts IS a very good working nine second car that now has a 900+HP BBC under the hood, backed by a stock gear set turbo400. I'll go so far as to say it's the best working 9 second car in Division 1 running brackets, posting a best 60 foot of 1.17 and typical 60 foots are between 1.19 and 1.22 depending on weather and track and .09 slower when breaking the 60 foot clocks with the back tires.

FYI, back in October I decided to deep stage my Firebird mainly to see if I could.

Well after 3 hits, lowering my stage RPM and adjusting my front shocks for more wheelie, my reaction times were between -.004 and .022 launching at 2400 RPM. Will continue this exercise next season.

Video...

http://s381.photobucket.com/user/foo...vqly9.mp4.html

12-01-2015, 03:42 PM	#31
cicero819 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Aylmer Quebec, Canada Posts: 1,086 Likes: 31 Liked 69 Times in 30 Posts	Re: Going DEEP.... NHRA wanted to get rid of the slower cars, this would shorten time allowed for stock eliminator and would remove many from running competitively for class at National events. Look what has happen in Class, hardly any cars populate the lower echelons.Now more time can be spent letting the pros have ten guys cleaning their tires before a run.CR.

12-01-2015, 05:21 PM	#32
Bunkster Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 307 Likes: 0 Liked 43 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Going DEEP.... “Going DEEP”: Kinda the dirty cousin of the baffling “first red light” thing. Who in their right mind could possibly be against the worst red light loses? Only those that believe there is any value to the ongoing Paris “Global Climate Talks” could think a “first red light loses” makes sense. If you believe that the first red light ought to lose, then you certainly believe in “Global Climate Control”.

12-01-2015, 06:29 PM	#34
Signman Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lower Slower Delaware Posts: 535 Likes: 22 Liked 269 Times in 99 Posts	Re: Going DEEP.... You are allowed to deep stage just don't put out the top bulb __________________ Frank Ferrucci I/SA 1271 "Be Thankful for the Gifts You are Given"

12-01-2015, 07:07 PM	#35
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Going DEEP.... Bill, sorry to disappoint you but Toby was the King of the Deep Stagers. I felt I needed to DS but after the rule change me,Toby and every other deep stager adapted. In the end I found a way (mentally and mechanically ) to adapt and found you could hit the tree with a car going 1.75 to 1.78 sixty foot. And all this time I thought I was an icon in Billy's mind. Cest la vie. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

12-01-2015, 10:01 PM	#37
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Going DEEP.... [QUOTE=JOE ZOOM;489181]Ed,...No disrespect but.... You don't think it was because deep staging makes your ET show shower? You can run faster than the clocks show?......[QUOTE] Isn't that what I said, Joe? Of course, that is why many bracket racers do that. You can actually run a little quicker than the clocks show. That is the point. [QUOTE] So Ed if you swallow stage and drop it at the thousand you aren't showing what to can run either......[QUOTE] Not sure how that is related. [QUOTE]Only very slow cars can get a green light doing that... Took my stocker to englishtown for a bracket race....80% of the cars dialing from 9.00 to 15.99 deep [QUOTE] Joe, evidently not all fast foot brake cars react fast. Before Eastexas Race Cars back halved my SS car I could deep stage and get a green light. Not now. Imediately had to go to 28" front tires, lower my 2 step RPM, and find a slower button. I still struggle with red lights. No way I could deep stage now and be green. Hard to imagin a good working nine second car reacting slow enough to be green while deep staging. That takes a slow reacting car-and-or-driver. That's the rule. I'm done. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

12-01-2015, 10:43 PM	#40
1320racer VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,628 Likes: 160 Liked 759 Times in 379 Posts	Re: Going DEEP.... well take it for what's it's worth since I'm not a class racer but to Joe's point, it can be and is done with fast cars. My MPR built Super Stock GT Firebird by all accounts IS a very good working nine second car that now has a 900+HP BBC under the hood, backed by a stock gear set turbo400. I'll go so far as to say it's the best working 9 second car in Division 1 running brackets, posting a best 60 foot of 1.17 and typical 60 foots are between 1.19 and 1.22 depending on weather and track and .09 slower when breaking the 60 foot clocks with the back tires. FYI, back in October I decided to deep stage my Firebird mainly to see if I could. Well after 3 hits, lowering my stage RPM and adjusting my front shocks for more wheelie, my reaction times were between -.004 and .022 launching at 2400 RPM. Will continue this exercise next season. Video... http://s381.photobucket.com/user/foo...vqly9.mp4.html Last edited by 1320racer; 12-01-2015 at 10:49 PM.