NHRA and the Master Plan

[rognelson777]

The interesting part about outlaw racing it is basically the same as class eliminations or the factory shootout. Heads up racing to the finish line,
not stock eliminator dial in racing with the occasional heads up race.

Make eliminations all similar to Factory supercar shootout, F/S &F/SA combo stock shootout for example or hemi challenge. Heads up, multiple combos and 1st to the stripe wins. That is what brings the fans out to see at the outlaw races.

If 8 cars show up at a national event in the same class, run them off sunday heads up in their own eliminator, if not enough cars, they can just run regular (dial in )eliminations.

One of the biggest races is the World cup in Maryland and they have many different classes competing including N/A FWD 4 cylinders heads up, some 9 second cars and the fans love it. Honda dominates but you see some toyotas and hyundais in there.

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by Bret Kepner

Jim, you know I consider you a friend but I have to call you out when you post ridiculous crap like this. If you're too lazy to use Google Earth and simple math to figure out the true seating capacity of a track, you could, at the very least, go to the track's website which plainly proclaims their seating capacity to be 3,000 people.

I know, I know; you're going to reply by saying you're just repeating what you heard. There are a lot of problems with that approach. One is the fact it makes you look like an idiot. The other is the fact it detracts from all the other events which DO draw more than ten thousand people.

Before you ask, the answer is "Yes!". I really DO know the actual seating capacity of every drag strip in the country.

Bret, I really don't care what you claim the "seating capacity" of SGMP is. It could be 3,000 or 30,000. That has nothing to do with spectator "standing" capacity. I don't need to Google Earth the track either. You see I, unlike you, have actually RACED there many, many times and know the layout pretty well. Was I actually at the track for said race? No. I got the numbers from many people who either work at the track or regularly race there who actually WERE there. The track manager, and the VP Gas salesman were also two of he people who confirmed the number. There were 20,500 tickets available on Saturday and Sunday. All were sold out each day. I was told by one police officer who works most of he races, that they ran out of tickets and closed the gates which didn't set well with the hoards who were parked all down the road leading to the track from Cecil and Adel prompting the call to police to stop the people from coming over the fences. trying to stop them proved futile and they wound up just letting them in. Have you seen pictures of the race? It looked like Woodstock! Every square foot of pavement and grass on the rather large complex was inhabited by cars and humans. I will try to find the pictures for you since you were not successful yourself.
Please do not call me an idiot. Anyone who is familiar with the SGMP complex knows that those numbers are not impossible at that facility. Still doubt it? Call Ozzy Moya and ask him yourself. Jim


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[Jim Wahl]

[QUOTE=One of the biggest races is the World cup in Maryland and they have many different classes competing including N/A FWD 4 cylinders heads up, some 9 second cars and the fans love it. Honda dominates but you see some toyotas and hyundais in there.[/QUOTE]

What ever you do, do not post that these kinds of races draw many thousand spectators (which we know they do) or Mr. Kepner will call you a liar or an idiot! Jim


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[Mike Schwartz]

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry

I think that this post needs its own thread........

FUNNY CAR......................Takes 3 cars that are over 2 seconds off the pace to make a full field

TOP FUEL.....................Also take 3 cars that are over 2 seconds off the pace or NO TIME to make a full field....

There is no minimum ET requirement to qualify in an NHRA pro eliminator. If the numbers of entries allows it you can qualify by idling down the track on every run.

[Bret Kepner]

*sigh* Oh, well; I tried. It really doesn't matter that I've raced at SGMP and announced there multiple times.

You say you've got pictures? Do you have THIS one? If so, please explain to the world how SIXTY THOUSAND PEOPLE showed up in the 1,362 cars visible in this image, (with supposedly no place to put any more):



You might also point out the 57,000 "standing spectators", (since there is only seating for 3,000), because they seem difficult to find. Of course, individual people standing in five square feet each means only 8,712 people can fit in one acre so you'd need at least seven acres completely filled with humans every three feet. Oops! Too bad SGMP's entire spectator area...INCLUDING the grandstands...is only three acres!

Oh, wait! I forgot you'll just say, "That photo isn't from 'Lights Out 7'!", even though it's the photo the event promoter posted on his site.

Well, I guess that means THIS photo, (which I'm sure you already have), is also worthless. It shows SGMP from "Lights Out 7", (Hey! I took it from the LO7 website so it is what it is!), versus a track just down the road which seats an honest 44,500. Notice the difference in cars parked? Notice a slight difference in grandstand size? Nah. Of COURSE you don't.

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

What ever you do, do not post that these kinds of races draw many thousand spectators (which we know they do) or Mr. Kepner will call you a liar or an idiot!

Please don't put words in my mouth, Jim. I never said "Many thousand spectators". I'll only call you an idiot when you state a drag race had SIXTY thousand people. LOL!

No matter how hard you try, you just can't beat MATH! LOL!

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by Bret Kepner

*sigh* Oh, well; I tried. It really doesn't matter that I've raced at SGMP and announced there multiple times.

You say you've got pictures? Do you have THIS one? If so, please explain to the world how SIXTY THOUSAND PEOPLE showed up in the 1,362 cars visible in this image, (with supposedly no place to put any more):



You might also point out the 57,000 "standing spectators", (since there is only seating for 3,000), because they seem difficult to find. Of course, individual people standing in five square feet each means only 8,712 people can fit in one acre so you'd need at least seven acres completely filled with humans every three feet. Oops! Too bad SGMP's entire spectator area...INCLUDING the grandstands...is only three acres!

Oh, wait! I forgot you'll just say, "That photo isn't from 'Lights Out 7'!", even though it's the photo the event promoter posted on his site.

Well, I guess that means THIS photo, (which I'm sure you already have), is also worthless. It shows SGMP from "Lights Out 7", (Hey! I took it from the LO7 website so it is what it is!), versus a track just down the road which seats an honest 44,500. Notice the difference in cars parked? Notice a slight difference in grandstand size? Nah. Of COURSE you don't.





Please don't put words in my mouth, Jim. I never said "Many thousand spectators". I'll only call you an idiot when you state a drag race had SIXTY thousand people. LOL!

No matter how hard you try, you just can't beat MATH! LOL!

I'm really not sure why you have such a hard on for me lately but I'm not playing any more. Going back and forth like this only makes both of us look stupid. Here, let me try this, I'm lying about what I was told and so was everyone else I spoke to. Now, how's that? This isn't worth it! I didn't piss in your Wheaties and I promise I never slapped your mama! Give it a rest Bret! Your right I'm wrong, you're always right and I'm always wrong. You are the Shell Answer Man of Drag Racing and I am Barney Fife. Now, are you happy? As your President Obama says.....Wahl out! (mic drop). Jim

PS... I've never seen those pictures before and can not confirm anything about them. I'll just have to believe you because you say so.



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[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by Bret Kepner

*sigh* Oh, well; I tried. It really doesn't matter that I've raced at SGMP and announced there multiple times.

You say you've got pictures? Do you have THIS one? If so, please explain to the world how SIXTY THOUSAND PEOPLE showed up in the 1,362 cars visible in this image, (with supposedly no place to put any more):



You might also point out the 57,000 "standing spectators", (since there is only seating for 3,000), because they seem difficult to find. Of course, individual people standing in five square feet each means only 8,712 people can fit in one acre so you'd need at least seven acres completely filled with humans every three feet. Oops! Too bad SGMP's entire spectator area...INCLUDING the grandstands...is only three acres!

Oh, wait! I forgot you'll just say, "That photo isn't from 'Lights Out 7'!", even though it's the photo the event promoter posted on his site.

Well, I guess that means THIS photo, (which I'm sure you already have), is also worthless. It shows SGMP from "Lights Out 7", (Hey! I took it from the LO7 website so it is what it is!), versus a track just down the road which seats an honest 44,500. Notice the difference in cars parked? Notice a slight difference in grandstand size? Nah. Of COURSE you don't.





Please don't put words in my mouth, Jim. I never said "Many thousand spectators". I'll only call you an idiot when you state a drag race had SIXTY thousand people. LOL!

No matter how hard you try, you just can't beat MATH! LOL!

I just saw this and I can't resist. You actually want me to believe you counted every car in the parking lot??? You really need to get a life Bret. I mean really!
Also I have to assume (yeah I know) that the claim for the spectator count was for all four days? Not just one day. I never said there were 60,000 there on Saturday or on Sunday. But whatever. Take it up with Ozzy. Don't kill the messenger! Jim


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[Jason McGinley 3383]

Originally Posted by ALMACK

Same here.
I got so hooked on class racing last year, I went and built another Stocker.

I'm a glutton for punishment I suppose...

What other stocker did u build? Anybody can just put letters on their windows! Are talking about the car u had at Indy that ran 13.20 on a 12.15 index? That's a stocker!? LOL!!!! Sorry man,I just don't see your point.I apologize for busting your balls and I saw your multi part plan for this build but I still just don't understand what you are trying to accomplish or prove.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Jason McGinley 3383

What other stocker did u build? Anybody can just put letters on their windows! Are talking about the car u had at Indy that ran 13.20 on a 12.15 index? That's a stocker!? LOL!!!! Sorry man,I just don't see your point.I apologize for busting your balls and I saw your multi part plan for this build but I still just don't understand what you are trying to accomplish or prove.

Al also has a Pure Stocker.
Also consider him a friend and shared a lot of good information.

Maybe you should have read his post better.
He stated his intentions...clearly!

I don't understand your dirge!

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[Jason McGinley 3383]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Al also has a Pure Stocker.
Also consider him a friend and shared a lot of good information.

Maybe you should have read his post better.
He stated his intentions...clearly!

I don't understand your dirge!

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I read the post just fine Dan.And as far as Al and his"pure stocker" and for that matter pure stockers,crate motors and all the other ihra classes that all run ihra"stock eliminator" frankly i think they are a joke...it should just say pro et....run what ya brung....put some letters on the window and call it what u may! I think Al was confused and thought the Indy pts meet was an ihra race! But then again their are alot of REAL racers on here I have alot of respect for and then u have the other over opinionated, no race,dreamers like you Dan and your buddy Al!