Stockers....buttons.....check This Out - Page 4

Kegracing · 09-12-2007, 08:55 PM

I kept watching and thinking until Michael broke the ice...

Why worry about a button when the car next to you has a automatic shifter...

If we say that the button racer is legal, no boxes, etc. in this argument, I feel it is a little more consistant. I raced my stocker with and without a button. With good adjustable shocks and blocking the tree, I was very consistant (at times) with the button. More so than with just the brake and gas.

But how much more of an advantage is an auto shifter...? Especially low gear three speed trans! First gear with a metric and 5.13's comes quick! Wheels in the air, or just settling, and with the 305, missing a shift just a little really changed the et. If one can play, let them all play... is it a safety thing? like the add in dragster says! I do not think so, but thats just my opinion.

I feel there are bigger fish to fry.

Good luck to all.

Ken

tgriffith · 09-12-2007, 11:23 PM

I personally dont think if it was 1000 to 1 against 2 steps that Nhra/Ihra will change anything.....as an opinion, I think this is just a gester to make racers think they have a say so,,,,,Im with chip,,,,get them gone or give stockers the delay box

Billy Baker · 09-12-2007, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myron Piatek

Less electronics/wiring = less opportunity for "manipulation".

I agree with you Myron!

Bernie Cunningham · 09-12-2007, 11:57 PM

If ya going to use the "cheater" flag here, how does that stand up to logic? Nobody's been caught lately and nobody is stupid enough to try cause it's way too easy to detect.

Button users still foot brake.

Two steps will not go away, the horse is out of the corral !!!!!!!

How about the blinder guys, what they're doing is changing the face of full tree racing and there's no complaints?

There's plenty to bitch about, pick a more important subject. Just cause ya can't win rounds doesn't mean the system is broke, this is not a lottery !!!!!!!!!!!

Don't be afraid of the red-light, try harder!
B

Chip THELEGEND Johnson · 09-13-2007, 06:55 AM

Bernie,
They have been caught in IHRA and were let off with a warning. This year I might add. I don't two-step and have won races. I don't think the cream of the crop is cheating either, but it only takes 1 person that has the balls to do it that changes the outcome of the whole season.
Chip

Daran Summerton · 09-13-2007, 08:02 AM

A little birdie told me regardless of the poll buttons are gone! Tech does not have the time to trace wires on 180 stockers at Indy. Myron is not allowed in NHRA Sorry

Michael Beard · 09-13-2007, 08:18 AM

>> If ya going to use the "cheater" flag here, how does that stand up to logic?

Personally, I don't. To me, it's more about a style of racing. Again, I think it's important to not blur the lines between Stock and Super Stock.

>> Button users still foot brake.

Great, so they don't need them.

>> Two steps will not go away, the horse is out of the corral !!!!!!!

I don't believe that. You could pencil out two-steps today, and every Stocker in the country could race this weekend with no problem. It's less of a change to racer's programs than when they did away with deep staging. It's my opinion that E-shift should be nipped in the bud now, too.

>> How about the blinder guys, what they're doing is changing the face of full tree racing and there's no complaints?

Two steps are an important part of blinder racing for many racers. Dealing with one marginally affects the other's effectiveness. We don't need Duck Tape on the windshield (there's plenty of other places for Duck Tape!), but there's nothing wrong with a sunvisor, in my opinion. I suck at 'flash' racing, so I haven't even bothered trying it.

>> There's plenty to bitch about, pick a more important subject.

It is an important subject, and there's no reason that it can't be discussed at the same time as thirty other important topics. Let's multi-task.

>> Just cause ya can't win rounds doesn't mean the system is broke

Yeah... I don't think that argument holds up, as there are at least four National and/or World Champions participating in this discussion.

I think the argument should be, "Stock eliminator should (or should not) allow 2-steps because..." Everything else is BS...

Trevor Weiss · 09-13-2007, 09:45 AM

How do you foot brake with a stick car? You dont! Take the 2step away and the stick car is screwed while the automatic car is not. What do I mean? The stick car is going to be free wheeling and the auto is not, it will be very hard to run the rpms up to 5500rpm and hold there and still look at the tree. Why dont all of you auto guys just say get rid of the stick cars too! I got one if you get rid of 2steps lets get rid of stall converters too and make you guys run the factory stall speed converters that are around 1700rpm! Would all of you auto guys like that, NO. So I dont like the idea of getting rid of 2steps. FLAME AWAY DUDES! TREVOR WEISS B/S 2891 STOCK

novassdude · 09-13-2007, 10:03 AM

I think they should be allowed in Stick cars only. That makes it simple if you cant race with out a 2 step get a stick in your car.

As far as e-shift as a safety device that is a joke.

Chip THELEGEND Johnson · 09-13-2007, 10:10 AM

I have no problem with the stick guys having one. They still gotta shift more times than me.
Chip

09-12-2007, 08:55 PM	#31
Kegracing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Red Oak, TX Posts: 441 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out I kept watching and thinking until Michael broke the ice... Why worry about a button when the car next to you has a automatic shifter... If we say that the button racer is legal, no boxes, etc. in this argument, I feel it is a little more consistant. I raced my stocker with and without a button. With good adjustable shocks and blocking the tree, I was very consistant (at times) with the button. More so than with just the brake and gas. But how much more of an advantage is an auto shifter...? Especially low gear three speed trans! First gear with a metric and 5.13's comes quick! Wheels in the air, or just settling, and with the 305, missing a shift just a little really changed the et. If one can play, let them all play... is it a safety thing? like the add in dragster says! I do not think so, but thats just my opinion. I feel there are bigger fish to fry. Good luck to all. Ken

09-12-2007, 11:23 PM	#32
tgriffith Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 187 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out I personally dont think if it was 1000 to 1 against 2 steps that Nhra/Ihra will change anything.....as an opinion, I think this is just a gester to make racers think they have a say so,,,,,Im with chip,,,,get them gone or give stockers the delay box

09-12-2007, 11:57 PM	#34
Bernie Cunningham Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 560 Likes: 45 Liked 52 Times in 17 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out If ya going to use the "cheater" flag here, how does that stand up to logic? Nobody's been caught lately and nobody is stupid enough to try cause it's way too easy to detect. Button users still foot brake. Two steps will not go away, the horse is out of the corral !!!!!!! How about the blinder guys, what they're doing is changing the face of full tree racing and there's no complaints? There's plenty to bitch about, pick a more important subject. Just cause ya can't win rounds doesn't mean the system is broke, this is not a lottery !!!!!!!!!!! Don't be afraid of the red-light, try harder! B

09-13-2007, 06:55 AM	#35
Chip THELEGEND Johnson Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 284 Likes: 223 Liked 281 Times in 79 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out Bernie, They have been caught in IHRA and were let off with a warning. This year I might add. I don't two-step and have won races. I don't think the cream of the crop is cheating either, but it only takes 1 person that has the balls to do it that changes the outcome of the whole season. Chip

09-13-2007, 08:02 AM	#36
Daran Summerton Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas nv Posts: 600 Likes: 18 Liked 66 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out A little birdie told me regardless of the poll buttons are gone! Tech does not have the time to trace wires on 180 stockers at Indy. Myron is not allowed in NHRA Sorry

09-13-2007, 08:18 AM	#37
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out >> If ya going to use the "cheater" flag here, how does that stand up to logic? Personally, I don't. To me, it's more about a style of racing. Again, I think it's important to not blur the lines between Stock and Super Stock. >> Button users still foot brake. Great, so they don't need them. >> Two steps will not go away, the horse is out of the corral !!!!!!! I don't believe that. You could pencil out two-steps today, and every Stocker in the country could race this weekend with no problem. It's less of a change to racer's programs than when they did away with deep staging. It's my opinion that E-shift should be nipped in the bud now, too. >> How about the blinder guys, what they're doing is changing the face of full tree racing and there's no complaints? Two steps are an important part of blinder racing for many racers. Dealing with one marginally affects the other's effectiveness. We don't need Duck Tape on the windshield (there's plenty of other places for Duck Tape!), but there's nothing wrong with a sunvisor, in my opinion. I suck at 'flash' racing, so I haven't even bothered trying it. >> There's plenty to bitch about, pick a more important subject. It is an important subject, and there's no reason that it can't be discussed at the same time as thirty other important topics. Let's multi-task. >> Just cause ya can't win rounds doesn't mean the system is broke Yeah... I don't think that argument holds up, as there are at least four National and/or World Champions participating in this discussion. I think the argument should be, "Stock eliminator should (or should not) allow 2-steps because..." Everything else is BS... __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

09-13-2007, 09:45 AM	#38
Trevor Weiss Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 67 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out How do you foot brake with a stick car? You dont! Take the 2step away and the stick car is screwed while the automatic car is not. What do I mean? The stick car is going to be free wheeling and the auto is not, it will be very hard to run the rpms up to 5500rpm and hold there and still look at the tree. Why dont all of you auto guys just say get rid of the stick cars too! I got one if you get rid of 2steps lets get rid of stall converters too and make you guys run the factory stall speed converters that are around 1700rpm! Would all of you auto guys like that, NO. So I dont like the idea of getting rid of 2steps. FLAME AWAY DUDES! TREVOR WEISS B/S 2891 STOCK

09-13-2007, 10:03 AM	#39
novassdude Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: usa Posts: 752 Likes: 204 Liked 136 Times in 49 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out I think they should be allowed in Stick cars only. That makes it simple if you cant race with out a 2 step get a stick in your car. As far as e-shift as a safety device that is a joke.

09-13-2007, 10:10 AM	#40
Chip THELEGEND Johnson Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 284 Likes: 223 Liked 281 Times in 79 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out I have no problem with the stick guys having one. They still gotta shift more times than me. Chip