**Final decision on two-step usage**

[Sean Kennedy]

Damn, I was really starting to like my button.

Oh well, too bad my car has a pressure activated switch already!!!!!

I liked the button so much i hadn't tried it yet. Now there is a brake pressure gauge going in this winter for sure!

It's really not that complicated the whole 2-step piece guys. There is a relay on my shifter, once it goes out of first gear the 2-step cannot be activated. It's a lot easier on your bottom end too......

[tgriffith]

John,,,it will activate ,,you just dont hear it,,,car will eventually slow to the 3500 stutter,,,,,only bad thing about doing that?? if the chip is on for any length of time,,,it will load the cyliders/headers/mufflers and could cause serious engine damage,,,,,,back in the thottle stop days,,,I blew the mufflers in half on a racecar doing the same thing


stockers (with any brains) arent doing this,,,if anything,,,they are hitting the high side....possibly with a switch to deactivate it if needed,,,,,here is the theory,,,,(1/8 mile racing tested),,,,,the ET of a car is directly related to the RPM...meaning that, if a car is running quicker,,it will make more rpm and exactly the opposite,,,the less ET,,,the less rpm,,,,,SO,,if your car is turning 5500 at 630ft,,,,and the next time is turning 5550 at 630ft,,your car is running quicker,,,,,,,,,Im using a 5500 chip as an example,,,,,,,if a car hits a 5500 chip at 630ft and the next run hits it at 625ft,,,,the cars is on a quicker pass BUT hits the chip to slow it down and put if back on pace,,,,,the same works for it being slow,,,,if it hits the 5500 at 640ft,,,it was on a slow pace BUT the car has run wide open longer to again put if back on track for the desired ET,,,,,,,,,,,,now letting a car hit a chip this close is undetectable to officials and if the driver didnt know it,,,he wouldnt even notice it,, with the exception of it would seem to just quit pulling,,,,,,contrary to belief,,,it wouldnt run up and just stutter like mad,,,,it just slighly bouces against the llimiter,,,,now if you held it on down for another 2 or 300ft,,,it would stutter like mad,,,,,,,,,,

IF THIS IS GOING ON,, this is how its done,,,,a switch connected to the high side 2 step to turn it on after the shifts,,,or car is being short shifted and run thru on the chip

the same issue could be used with timing retards,,,its just not as effective as using a 2 step

AGAIN,,,, ,I WANT TO STRESS,,,""IF"" THIS IS GOING ON,,,,,if I were an official,,,I would be looking for RPM chips that wasnt accurate (reasonable),,,,3 steps,,, or wiring to the 2/3 steps where they connect to the MSD,,, I would be looking into the programs of EFI cars to examine what type of timing they are using on top end,,,,and also looking for timing retards in carb cars

the problem,,if one wants to cheat,,,,officials just cant stop it,,,,,an LED tach can be used to same way WITHOUT any of the above mentioned items and it will work,,,,

if alot of you racers will examine runs,,,you will see that alot of the runs dont add up,,,,alot of racers are getting info inside the car to make calls on the track,,,,whether this is legal??? dont know,,,,,,,,Is it illegal for me to watch my LED tach till it rolls up to 6100 and let off???,,,the big analog tach arent very reliable,,,but the new LED readout tachs are,,,,,,,,is that illegal???? should it be??? Just like stated above about hitting chips,,,,should that be legal???? what if you didnt want to blow motor and it hit a 6400 chip every pass???

[LNorton]

I wouldn't worry about the stick guys that keep the 2step hooked into the line lock switch, because in a stick car, if you let off the button, the car still doesn't move. And if you hold on to the button and let go of the pedal, the car is leaving whether you like it or not. Believe me, I have forgotten to let go of the button on a run or two while testing.

Moving the two-steps to the pedal is a start, but I would like to see Stock be a Footbrake class, and Super Stock be a No-E class.

Not like any of this bothers me too much anymore. We are going to an auto for the next year or so. Cant afford all of the parts breakage the clutch is causing, and cant afford to call Youngblood yet.

[sterling simmons jr]

Most of you who are complaining are IHRA racers anyway. So why are you worried about NHRA rules? I prefer to leave the rule as is. I don't think changing the rule will stop the people who are winning now because they are professional racers. Professional are usually good at what they do. Suck up your tears and lets race.

[tgriffith]

since Im one of the most vocal,,,Im assuming your speaking to me,,,,so I will answer,,,,,,,1st,,even though I have complained about it,,or "cryed" as you put it,,,,I neclected to send a vote or an opinion to anyone in NHRA,,,,my only goal is to correctly inform other racers who read these post just how and what advantages there is to using one and where its leading,,,,(in my opinion) ,,,,as a personal opinion, I would welcome ANY and ALL electronics to stockers,,,,not just to the select few who have choosen to get around the rules ,,,but to everyone and anyone that races,,,,,but what I dont like is a cross of the rules,,,,again,IMO,,either do away with it all or run anything that is available,,,even down to track counters

now to the Ihra question,,,,,nearly 99.99 percent of the time,,,what Nhra does,,,Ihra follows as far as rules are concerned in the electronic area

all this stuff needs to be brought out of the closet so all racers and more importantly the tech guys understand how things work and are being used,,,,sorry if it upsets a few

[LNorton]

Originally Posted by sterling simmons jr

Most of you who are complaining are IHRA racers anyway. So why are you worried about NHRA rules? I prefer to leave the rule as is. I don't think changing the rule will stop the people who are winning now because they are professional racers. Professional are usually good at what they do. Suck up your tears and lets race.

I hate to put it like this, but a large majority of NHRA racers are just like this. They are in their own little world and their sh!t dont stink

If you haven't noticed, this discussion is about the future of Stock Eliminator... which is also contested in IHRA, and IHRA follows NHRA's lead most of the time.

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by LNorton

Not like any of this bothers me too much anymore. We are going to an auto for the next year or so. Cant afford all of the parts breakage the clutch is causing, and cant afford to call Youngblood yet.

I wouldn't spend $2100 on a clutch either if it's in the budget to replace broken transmissions, driveshafts and rearends. You'll especially enjoy the cost of a competitive metric 200 trans and a convertor (or two)


Sorry I'm off topic. I'll go away now...

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by clutch man

Thats right to much bs like t grfiffith, who is he? when was the last time he raced?????? the people starting stuff have never won anything just cry baby stuff all the time from no name racers that have never won a NHRA National event! or a ihra event.

I believe you should have done your homework before you made that comment, my friend.

[tgriffith]

no biggie Mark,,,racers dont like me giving away secrets,,,,But I am suprised clutch man wouldnt be in favor of doing way with buttons/2steps for automatics,,,,that way he could go back to winning consistently in stock

clutch,,your rite,,,I have had no success at nationals ,,, absolutley none,,,,was completely out of my elements,,,but that still doesnt change the facts of what Im posting,,,you know it and so do I,,,,,,racers somehow are getting info as they are moving down the track,,,,,,whether its legal??? whether its a guess??? who knows.....

[LNorton]

Originally Posted by clutch man

Thats right to much bs like t grfiffith, who is he? when was the last time he raced?????? the people starting stuff have never won anything just cry baby stuff all the time from no name racers that have never won a NHRA National event! or a ihra event.

For a man that has never raced, I have watched Tim kick tail on a weekly basis. Even in a Super Pro final footfeedin...

If my history is correct... Tim is a past NHRA Sportsman National Champ, and finished second in IHRA Stock Points a few years back, and has won his fair share of bracket races. I would say Tim is one of the smartest racers out there.