First VS Worst red light - Page 4

Quo Pro Joe · 08-24-2020, 09:22 AM

Class racing is different than bracket racing in that it is a performance class. Some guy in a fast H/SA could theoretically be giving a handicap to a slow A/SA.If he does and the A/SA redlights,that is too bad.

Jeff Stout · 08-24-2020, 09:43 AM

Last time this topic was hot we took a vote and I think it was 50 50

Race Clean · 08-24-2020, 11:26 AM

Here we go again!
If this now would change I wouldn’t be surprised there will be people in the future that think a close red light isn’t fair either and would like the one with the best package closest to .0000 from both directions should be the winner

I do think there are reasons that it should be some advantage to build a faster Car, If that actually is the case when you sum all things together, well thats my view anyway!

IMHO I think we need to stop asking for changes of any kind for the Eliminator and the Cars.
If NHRA thinks it’s time, fine but no changes should not be driven by a group of Racers

Also if we ever get any spectators to watch us I think it’s confusing enough for them with dial ins, break outs without trowing in Red Lights that comes on up to 5-6 seconds after someone left the starting line.
I also wonder if anyone have statistics about faster or slower Cars actually have more Redlights, I feel like the faster Car have the same amount of reds as slower cars even with todays system though it dont get the chance to go red if the other lane got it first, maybe I'm wrong..

Jack McCarthy · 08-24-2020, 12:00 PM

in a FREE country you are allowed to build whatever you like .... rules been there since day one ???

im a candidate for the most affected guy in nhra history...
but i made my choice 40 years ago

captain

Jeff Stout · 08-24-2020, 12:06 PM

4 bracket races Ive raced in with Truestart I remember 2 races that Truestart reversed the outcome.

B Parker · 08-24-2020, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Hawk

What if just the slower car spins due to bad track prep, rerun as well?

Sure Lane why not. I just don't really want to see another rule change. We've had enough of them.

1347 · 08-24-2020, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Stout

That's what we do during eliminations. If there is a heads up like we all enjoy about class racing, guess what, worst red light is the loser. So we kind of already have the rule. If you dont like the worst light rule, then in heads up just make it furthest under index wins. That way worst red light rule is removed like the rest of the rounds.

So you are for true start and you want heads ups to be that the faster car wins no matter what the light is? Well that will ruin heads up racing if thats the case. You have never watched a heads up race with a David and Goliath story of a holeshot win with the slower car getting the win because the faster car may have been over cautious? People complain that class racing is hard enough to follow already. It would be stupid to remove the redlight in a heads up race. Every other heads up race from Top Fuel to Street outlaws as fake as it is penalizes someone for leaving early in a heads up race.

I say no to true start in any capacity of class racing.

Mike Rietow · 08-24-2020, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 1347

So you are for true start and you want heads ups to be that the faster car wins no matter what the light is? Well that will ruin heads up racing if thats the case. You have never watched a heads up race with a David and Goliath story of a holeshot win with the slower car getting the win because the faster car may have been over cautious? People complain that class racing is hard enough to follow already. It would be stupid to remove the redlight in a heads up race. Every other heads up race from Top Fuel to Street outlaws as fake as it is penalizes someone for leaving early in a heads up race.

I say no to true start in any capacity of class racing.

He's not saying change the rule. He's saying the rule is already in affect, worst red light is loser heads up.

He's right, the worst red light rule is already in affect.

Ernie Neal · 08-24-2020, 01:52 PM

Okay, number one the redlight is not how to start the race (I know for I do it all the time). I have no problem with the first redlight is the loser. I have fast and slow cars.

I am not the guy that moves next to a dragstrip and complains about the noise either. In other words, when I read the rulebook and accepted this as the venue that I would be competing in, I don’t expect the rules to be changed to meet my personal needs. I’m glad to get away from flag starters and the 5 bulb tree. I do like the reaction timers, just so I can tell how good or bad I was. I think we are good with the way it is.

I don’t have anything good to say about the truestart system. I’m pleased someone created it, for their benefit. I feel that if NHRA wanted it they would have had it created.

I personally don’t feel your truestart pain.

Ernie Neal
SS 354

Allen Wilson III · 08-24-2020, 03:55 PM

In a non-handicapped race, first and worst are the same. We have to pick one or the other.

If your philosophy is that race cars should go fast and advantages should go to the faster car, then I see why you'd prefer first red loses. If your philosophy is that it's a bracket race and the goal is precision, then I see why you'd prefer worst red loses.

Since Stock, SS, and Comp for that matter are performance based classes, I have a hard time seeing it changing... but wouldn't complain if it does. I do think it's hard to justify why someone who is -.001 deserves to lose more than someone who is -.200 red in the same run, but those are the rules and "that's how we've always done it"

08-24-2020, 09:22 AM	#31
Quo Pro Joe Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 32 Likes: 0 Liked 24 Times in 12 Posts	Re: First VS Worst red light Class racing is different than bracket racing in that it is a performance class. Some guy in a fast H/SA could theoretically be giving a handicap to a slow A/SA.If he does and the A/SA redlights,that is too bad.

08-24-2020, 09:43 AM	#32
Jeff Stout VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: phoenix Posts: 1,486 Likes: 66 Liked 704 Times in 281 Posts	Re: First VS Worst red light Last time this topic was hot we took a vote and I think it was 50 50

08-24-2020, 11:26 AM	#33
Race Clean Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 159 Likes: 18 Liked 129 Times in 53 Posts	Re: First VS Worst red light Here we go again! If this now would change I wouldn’t be surprised there will be people in the future that think a close red light isn’t fair either and would like the one with the best package closest to .0000 from both directions should be the winner I do think there are reasons that it should be some advantage to build a faster Car, If that actually is the case when you sum all things together, well thats my view anyway! IMHO I think we need to stop asking for changes of any kind for the Eliminator and the Cars. If NHRA thinks it’s time, fine but no changes should not be driven by a group of Racers Also if we ever get any spectators to watch us I think it’s confusing enough for them with dial ins, break outs without trowing in Red Lights that comes on up to 5-6 seconds after someone left the starting line. I also wonder if anyone have statistics about faster or slower Cars actually have more Redlights, I feel like the faster Car have the same amount of reds as slower cars even with todays system though it dont get the chance to go red if the other lane got it first, maybe I'm wrong.. __________________ Stop global whining

08-24-2020, 12:00 PM	#34
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,322 Likes: 29 Liked 476 Times in 117 Posts	Re: First VS Worst red light in a FREE country you are allowed to build whatever you like .... rules been there since day one ??? im a candidate for the most affected guy in nhra history... but i made my choice 40 years ago captain __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

08-24-2020, 12:06 PM	#35
Jeff Stout VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: phoenix Posts: 1,486 Likes: 66 Liked 704 Times in 281 Posts	Re: First VS Worst red light 4 bracket races Ive raced in with Truestart I remember 2 races that Truestart reversed the outcome.

08-24-2020, 01:52 PM	#39
Ernie Neal Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Columbus, Indiana Posts: 530 Likes: 169 Liked 326 Times in 78 Posts	Re: First VS Worst red light Okay, number one the redlight is not how to start the race (I know for I do it all the time). I have no problem with the first redlight is the loser. I have fast and slow cars. I am not the guy that moves next to a dragstrip and complains about the noise either. In other words, when I read the rulebook and accepted this as the venue that I would be competing in, I don’t expect the rules to be changed to meet my personal needs. I’m glad to get away from flag starters and the 5 bulb tree. I do like the reaction timers, just so I can tell how good or bad I was. I think we are good with the way it is. I don’t have anything good to say about the truestart system. I’m pleased someone created it, for their benefit. I feel that if NHRA wanted it they would have had it created. I personally don’t feel your truestart pain. Ernie Neal SS 354

08-24-2020, 03:55 PM	#40
Allen Wilson III Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 42 Likes: 79 Liked 36 Times in 13 Posts	Re: First VS Worst red light In a non-handicapped race, first and worst are the same. We have to pick one or the other. If your philosophy is that race cars should go fast and advantages should go to the faster car, then I see why you'd prefer first red loses. If your philosophy is that it's a bracket race and the goal is precision, then I see why you'd prefer worst red loses. Since Stock, SS, and Comp for that matter are performance based classes, I have a hard time seeing it changing... but wouldn't complain if it does. I do think it's hard to justify why someone who is -.001 deserves to lose more than someone who is -.200 red in the same run, but those are the rules and "that's how we've always done it"