Factory experimental

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Bruce -- You are trying to run them out of Stock where they belong and right into some F/X class.........these cars are no different than a 69 Camaro 427 or a Corvette L-88 --- low production vehicles !

So, 1250, or more, 69 Camaros with RPO L-72 is low production? As compared to 50 of the Fords sold? There were at least 25 times as many 69 Camaro L-72 equipped cars sold to the general public as there have been the new Fords. Interesting position.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by 1664SSJA

" Not everyone will be sucessful in Stock eliminator" and as another guy said 3 pages back ( DON KENNEDY I think) it was ok to tell everyone else to work harder on their combo if they want to keep up.... ANOTHER SMUG remark. Not everyone has the money...so to those he says they should get another hobby...maybe bowling. Now its different. Now its YOU.

Like HE said.... now YOU work harder on YOUR combos if you want to keep up, Because "Not everyone is going to be sucessful in Stock Eliminator"

Doesnt sound so good huh? Kinda smug huh?

Just go ahead and call me out by name. I said that. Well, actually, I said "successful". It's not smug, it's a fact. Like anything else, Stock Eliminator is not for everyone. Not everyone is cut out to be a soldier. Not everyone is cut out to be a fireman. Not everyone is cut out to be an NFL quarterback. Not every racer is cut out to be a drag racer, some do better in circle track. Some do better in road racing. Not all drag racers are cut out to be class racers. See, that's why there are a lot of classes. There's bracket racing for those who don't like class racing, or can't seem to be successful at it. There's .90 Super class racing for those who never quite liked Comp, Stock, or Super Stock. Or never quite got the hang of it.

Yeah, I said it, and I stand by it. It's not smug, it's just fact. That's why all those NFL quarterbacks went to the Pro Bowl and the Super Bowl, and you didn't, and neither did I. Because not everyone will be successful at pro football. That's why all of those major league baseball players went to the World Series, and I didn't, and don't remember seeing you there, either. Because not everyone will be successful at pro baseball. Don't like facts? Don't blame me. Call it smug if you want to, it doesn't change the facts. People all over the world have widely varying degrees of success, from incredible success to dismal failure, at all sorts of endeavors, and drag racing in general is not a bit different. Neither is Stock Eliminator any different.

[Bruce Noland]

SS/JA,
Smug? Context?

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by 1664SSJA

The context YOU'VE used it in time and time again was smug.

The context here is not.

Only by your interpretation. You took it as "smug", that does not mean it was "smug".

First off, I said it once, and then it was quoted by about a 1/2 dozen people. In some cases, I responded to it in the manner it was quoted.

Second, it's a fact, and context has little relevance on a stated fact.

With regards to your "position", and this thread, about A and AA cars, DeArmond and McGlasson have been working on their combination, for about 25 years. The same applies to the Sorenson Brothers. It also applies, at least to a certain extent, to Steve Ficacci (I'm not sure how long Steve has been thrashing that particular combination, but few people in Stock work harder to make their car fast). I don't think they have a whole lot of room to "work harder" or "work more" on their combination. There are plenty of others who've been thrashing that long. Arnold Greene for example. Steve Calabro and Joe Fasano. Barry Parker. If you really want to talk about someone being "smug", you should look in the mirror when you tell a lot of the people who will be racing against the new cars to "work harder". Considering some of them have been working harder for 2-4 decades.

Bruce Noland and I have been going at it hammer and tong. When we agree on something, it's probably a good sign something is up.

[Bruce Noland]

SSJA,
I do believe you are in my thread. You know the deal. Stay out of it if you don't like it. This is about Factory Experimental and not about your writing preferences.

[Bruce Noland]

SS/JA,
Don't bother to subject us to any more of your twisted logic. Stay on topic or stay out.

[Alan Roehrich]

I don't know everything. Far from it. Never said I did know everything. Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't fall into the neat little category you'd like to put me in.

You may not have seen "a car that hasn't gone down the track yet" cause so much fuss, but I have, several times. And at least 1/2 the time, there was good reason.

No one has said the cars shouldn't have a place to race. What people have said is NHRA has put them in the wrong place.

I want to see them race, and the Challenger, and maybe one day, the Camaro. But no matter who builds it, I want to see it in the class it belongs in. I do not want to see anyone get stuck having to race a car that doesn't belong in their class. The AHFS is ineffective and problematic, so cars that are not properly classified do not get corrected in a timely manner.

[Bruce Noland]

Alan,
The new Cobra Jet was run during a private test session today in Arizona. It went below the national record right out of the box. I don't know how far under it went or what the tune up was. But it is a very, very fast race car and worthy of some serious reconsideration by nhra. New cars have been placed in Factory Experimental before and moved to other classes after nhra had some time look them over.

[Alan Roehrich]

Bruce, I'm not surprised. Ford and Roush have done a good job on the cars, and picked some good racers to run them. I hope Chrysler and GM do as well as they have. I suppose hoping that NHRA would do as good a job classifying them as Ford and Roush have done building them is asking a little too much though.

I've heard pretty much the same things as you through the grapevine. Between that, and common sense, with a little experience, it's not hard to see what is likely to happen.

Again, I really want to see the cars raced, all of them, regardless of brand, I think new factory blood is good for the sport. As long as the transfusion goes in the correct vein.

[bsa633]

Originally Posted by Bushwacker

Buy a Roush or Cobra!!!!!!!!!!

Hell why not change Stock to 2000 and newer cars while were at it...that would make this "the same deal" for almost everyone in the eliminator and also the car-makers dont have to worry getting beat up by "old iron" and helping economy by keeping race-car fabricators and others busy during these hard times!!!