2008 Mid Year Stock, Super Stock Horsepower Adjustments Announced

[Ron Ortiz]

Dere NHRA,

I hav bin reeding on a internett forum that peepel ar cumplaning bout other peepel goin too fast, and gittin hit with horspower ratins. Sum of them say to lift and then cumplane bout it being a performunc based class. Sum tawk bout pretectin there combo, why, is it wurth alot of muney. Sum want 2 go fast but ar fraid to do it and then they cry. Sum say too lower the index, but whut hapens if they do and they stil go 2 fast, do U lower it agin until they ar happy. I here bout a triger, is it like a gun triger that needs to bee put to there head or is it the name of a horse who needs power.
I jus dont understand why so much cryin an finger pointin. plese NHRA stop this crazzyness. why dont you jus git rid of them trigers so noone can cumplane anymor and then they can go fast like they shud in the first place. thnk yu.

sined
mister common sens

[55 Chevy]

My last post was supposed to be quoting a previous post from another member & was not my original post. Sorry SS Engine Guy,my mistake.

[Adger Smith]

mister common sens,
Coongrats!!! Gret uss ove ur Inglash langwige. I stel do knot get it.Kud U git to tha point?
:~)

[J. Silveus]

Originally Posted by Bryan Worner

Same thank you goes out to Jerry Silveus for getting the LT1 hit in GT......AGAIN......for absolutely no reason!

I feel compelled to reply to Mr. Worner's comments, only because of how it was said.

Last year he or his brother cornered my daughter one time at the races when I mistakenly went more than 1.15 under and proceeded to tell her what they thought.

Now 1 year later I have two phone calls telling me it is on the internet that I have upset Mr. Worner. Several times at the race track he could have told me face to face what he thought but didn't. I have the most respect for his dad and probably raced him many times before he was born. It is just too bad he did not inherit his dad's integrity.

For most people who know me, I have run GT/BA just so the system would not give the LT1 horsepower and got beat two times because of that.

We are running on a seven year old system when there has been a 40-50 horsepower gain on almost any engine out there. The system is a deterrent on making cars run faster in a performance class.

I will say two more things: 1. I am 64 years old and this is the only hobby I have had for the last 40 years. I have always done it with my family. I can probably only do this for a few more years, no matter how goofed up the system is. 2. Now that Mr. Worner has shot off his mouth indirectly again, I will let my car do the talking from here on out.

[Ron Ortiz]

Adger, mister common sens is not very proficient at the English language, but I will attempt to answer your question. I believe what he was trying to say was to get rid of the trigger so that everybody could run it all the way out without being penalized.
A couple of years I recieved HP for what Clayton Wright and Dick Moreland did at Atco. Before that, I had been persuaded by friends to put my car on a diet so I removed alot of weight in alot of different areas. Thanks to Clayton and Dick I had to put all the weight I had pulled out back in. The day prior to them setting the record, Dick called me up and informed me of what they were planning to do at Atco and what my thoughts were, if they should go for it or not knowing that there would be a HP adjustment to my car, even though I have a smaller carb. My response was "go for it, records are made to be broken, we are in a performance based class" I was not upset with them and congratulations go to them. Maybe some of this camaradarie should be applied in other classes.
If you got a fast car you should be able to go fast.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA 6 HP hit

[Jeff Lee]

Guys & great friends I go to breakfast or lunch with here in sunny Arizona:
Kip Martin holds the SS/L record. He's been #1 qualifier several times this year. He's set and reset the record a few times in the last couple of years. He just received a weight penalty of 4 #'s on his 289. Some were mad at him. He says he's sorry but he's 64 and this could be his last hurah in a very respectable tenure in both Stock and SuperStock. He also builds his own engines and has won one NHRA national events. He raised two boys who are respectable engine builders for Reher Morrison pro-stock division.
Neil Smedley. He's had several record setting, #1 qualifying cars also in his outstanding tenure in NHRA drag racing. Most notably he has been very successful in his path with turbo stockers in the last few years. He also has won an NHRA national event after being #1 qualifier and winning class. I probably owe more to being involved in class racing to him than anyone else. He once lived a few blocks from me. He's about 16 years my elder and taught me a lot. Mostly about NHRA politics (nothing has really changed over the years).
Don Kennedy. Probably the worlds fastest Pontiac SS (NHRA verified that is). He's taken a combo and refined it with more testing on a yearly basis than most racers do in 5 years (or more). He's goal on every pass: "rotate the earth" as he puts it. He's also traveled the country racing and can prove to the doubters that altitude corrections are factored correctly.
Dana House. Has taken the 402/350 Nova from "it won't work" to top contender in D/SA after years of heavily budgeted sweat.
Dwight Southerland. He'd go to lunch with us but Arkansas is a little way's away. But we talk on the phone a lot.
Al Corda. He's a nice guy. Really. The rest of you just don't know it yet!
What do we all have in common? We all race to the finish line under full throttle. We look for the last ounce of performance. We would never sandbag to get a better average for the AHFS. And if we get hit with HP, looks like we did a good job. Well...maybe Al lifts a little. We're not sure about him...
I'll betch that our round table discussions are a lot more interesting about racing than who's selected as the "lay down" of the week. We're kinda proud of what we do...

[bsa633]

Originally Posted by Scott Loge

A few thoughts,
Keith,
After my 30 minute break i decided we were still to pig headed to change. Sorry!!!

Again we point fingers and scream at each other but the problem is the system and it's administration. Some run all out, others dive at 1,000. Horsepower is given and we taunt each other not where the real problem lies. We got hit for a run where we were outrun by a tenth. That car did not get hit. System problem or driver problem? 340 in a 72 duster 289 in a 72 cuda 299 because somebody chose to run all out. I will only comment on our cars but there are many examples to use. We have been beating this horse since it started. take the 2 tenths back off the index and it's a mute point for us. If you can't run the index then go bracket race. 1/2 the guys that are .3 to .4 tenths under are bagging anyway. Those same cars go 1. sec under in a heads up situation.

The Hemi must start to look real good..after all you are 27hp under the E-body then instead of over...Yeah this system really work...when they decide to combine stick and autos...well...what a mess..

[Jeff Lee]

I agree with Scott. There is no reason any one "musclecar" platform should have any advantage with AHFS HP over another, i.e., "B"-body Road Runner, Charger, etc., over the "E"-body 'Cuda, Challenger. Furthermore, that would apply the same with musclecars like the Camaro, Nova, Chevelle, etc. If the OEM placed a musclecar engine in the platform, all is equal. The only variance perhaps is "sportscar" platform, i.e., Corvette.

The B-body MOPAR will perform equally as well in Stock with a 426 HEMI as a E-Body Challenger once shipping weights are taken in account for. NHRA has long established there are no considerations for ram-air systems in the vintage musclecars so that takes care of that argument. Same with the Camaro / Nova or Chevelle, Mustang / Fairlane, etc.
If one platform seems to be more effective in Stock, it just proves the right person hasn't been applied to the other platform in my opinion.

[bsa633]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

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The B-body MOPAR will perform equally as well in Stock with a 426 HEMI as a E-Body Challenger once shipping weights are taken in account for. NHRA has long established there are no considerations for ram-air systems in the vintage musclecars so that takes care of that argument. Same with the Camaro / Nova or Chevelle, Mustang / Fairlane, etc.
If one platform seems to be more effective in Stock, it just proves the right person hasn't been applied to the other platform in my opinion.

but still we have to see an B-Body hemi to run as Henson did with the Challenger with even 20 hp reduction... remember when mr Lynch very rapidly brought the 402 Nova upp to 405(or was it more) and the Camaro stayed at 390..I questioned that and a Camaro owner said the "hood clearence" was not enough on the camaro(that was the body specific argument from him)..think i said something about that they weren't using the original manifold anyway anymore so the clearence thing was thier own choise..or something...well the Nova came back down to 395 pretty fast after Lynch stopped beating it...dont know how that worked...dont know how that part is outlined in the AHFS...think people and judgement are involved.. The AHFS killed the possibility for People to see HEMI Cuda's and Challenger in stock..now it looks that the 6-pak B-Bodys are going that same way but Shelby's and other are working the system...all because the non-involvement of skilled people..

[herbjr]

Henson went red, didnt scale, went fast and now he isnt racing....hmmmmmmmm.