2008 Cobra Jets belong in Stock

[Superfan1]

Originally Posted by David Ley

Bill- Superfan1 ,
Evan's car can run AA/S but would he have to add the weight to make AA/S and would have to weigh 3920. Not a practical race weight for AA/S.

I knew that but didn't mention it in my post because of it's impracticality; driveline breakage would be the rule, not the exception, at 3920 lbs
Bill Seabrooks - superfan1

[Superfan1]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Okayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.If one of the CJ drivers gets stupid or careless and gets enough HP on the combo
and they factor out to less than 7.50 then what does NHRA do, after rolling their tongues back into their mouth?

Ed F.

Could someone post the comparative engine specs for all three engines?

Ed, they still have quite a bit of leeway, consider this; 2 of the CJs at Pomona were in A/S and A/SA, they weighed 3570 lbs (8.00 lbs/hp = 3400 lbs +170 = 3570 lbs.) If the CJs are hit with 35 hp which would bring them to 460 hp; they would have to weigh 3620 lbs in AA/S (7.50 lbs/hp = 3450 lbs +170 = 3620) which is only 50 lbs more than than John Calvert in A/S and Gary Stinnett in A/SA had to weigh at Pomona.
Bill Seabrooks - superfan1

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by John Quinn

The stocker engine was available to the public in the Cobra Jet. Evan does not have a Cobra Jet, he has a Shelby GT500 which has a different engine (also available to the public). Is that so hard to understand?

It's very easy to under stand.What are the engine specs betwwen the 500 HP engine and the 425 HP engine?
Do you understand what I'm leading up to?
Ed F.

[Bruce Noland]

I suppose that nhra and Ford sat down several times over a period of months and hashed out a deal. They appear to have covered all the minimum requirements to sell this deal to the public and the racers. Sure it's a Ford Racing Parts car that did not flow from an assembly line to the track. But Ford covered the 50 unit requirement by selling them through their dealerships. No big deal. nhra and Ford covered all the bases; except one.

nhra did not make a good faith effort to determine the actual Horsepower figures on these motors. I recieved an overnight letter from nhra, signed by Glen Gray and Danny Gracia. The letter simply stated that they accept the manufacturers figures and reserve the right to make adjustments. I guess they were referring to the ahfs.

nhra needs to do it's job! I would like to see one of the new CJ cars that will be coming out of MPR (or any other high value shop) on an independent chassis dyno. I don't think it is too much to ask nhra to find an independent shop with a knowledgeable tuner to test one of these race ready CJs and issue a public report. Then, if they want, we can locate some really fast 396, 427, 426 and 428 cars to go on the same dyno with the same tuner. The new CJ owners and tuners should have no problem with this suggestion.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

I think (if for no other reason than to allow you, Gary, to get some starting-line satisfaction racing them!)

I think if NHRA gave them a place to race, they would come... and you could have "your day in court," Gary.



Bill

Bill, nothing would give me greater satisfaction (other than becoming the first fwd Stocker racer to win a national/divisional event this century, and then follow that up by becoming the first fwd multiple race winner, as well as the first Top 10 points finisher ever nationally or divisionally), than to line up next to anyone driving one of those imported cars in Stock Eliminator! Bandimere Speedway had a racer named Mitch Baker that came to an import race with a Toyota Tundra p.u. back in 2002? Because of his savy with racing Pro ET cars to be one of Bandimere Speedways winningest racers in the tracks history, it was no surprise that he made it to the final round in that truck...what might not have been much of a surprise was who met him in the other lane in the final round---ME & my Z24 Chevy Cavalier. Unfortunately, I was sooo amped up to beat this so-called F100, Silverado, & Ram beater (when I had to spot it nearly 1.5sec!!!), that I over-shifted my stock auto tranny (shifter) from 1st to neutral, and even though I caught him at the 330ft mark, he got away and held me off by 3/4's of a truck length to get the win. My point being that I'd have to screw-up BIG-TIME, in order for an imported car to beat me in a stock-eliminator type race...bring them on, cause I was born ready, and I'll be thinking of Dec. 7 1941 every time I race one!!!

To you guys on point with the 2008 Cobra Jet in Stock thing, I apologize for being off thread with this reply, but it was the only way I could respond to Bills phrase...besides I wasn't the one who spoke about the 100mph awd import car in the first place!!!

[ss3845]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

nhra needs to do it's job!. I would like to see one of the new CJ cars that will be coming out of MPR (or any other high value shop) on an independant chassis dyno. I don't think it is too much to ask nhra to find an independant shop with a knowledgeable tuner to test one of these race ready CJs and issue a public report. Then, if they want, we can locate some really fast 396, 427, 426 and 428 cars to go on the same dyno with the same tuner. The new CJ owners and tuners should have no problem with this suggestion.

Why stop there. Why don't we get every combo in the class guide on that dyno?

Have you been hangin' with Michael Phelps?

[Bruce Noland]

No-namer,
I don't know where you guys get off with the smart remarks all the time but it isn't helping your cause. We aren't talking about every car on the sheet. We are talking about just one. A car that has no nhra history and one that nhra admits they have not investigated. Now stay on topic and drop the dopey remarks.

[ss3845]

So lets say they put it on a chassis dyno and it make 550hp at the rear wheels. What do you think NHRA should do?

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

No-namer,
I don't know where you guys get off with the smart remarks all the time but it isn't helping your cause. We aren't talking about every car on the sheet. We are talking about just one. A car that has no nhra history and one that nhra admits they have not investigated. Now stay on topic and drop the dopey remarks.

Since when has the NHRA ever done what you are requesting? Are you willing to have your new Corvette's HP adjusted in the same way? If they do that for one combination they have to do it for every combination. Then you will get all the comments about sandbagging on the dyno pulls when the results aren't what people want to see.

Let the Cobra Jets have their day in the sun.

Daren Poole-Adams
IHRA 9043

[Tim Kish]

Why is it so clear that these cars are so GROSSLY underfactored? Why can they not produce 600+ HP in race trim - the older combinations in A & AA do and most are factored at equal or less HP than the Cobra Jet (A couple of the Hemis are factored higher but not by much). Again take a guess at how much HP it takes a 67 Fairlane to go 138mph - it's a helluva lot more than 425. The system has never been based on legitimate HP since the rules started allowing Stock to not be "stock".