New '09 Chrysler' specs AA/S thru G/S

[Bruce Noland]

Like sticking your head in the sand. With your posterior exposed!

Ditto Alan!

[JRyan]

First I'd like to say I take great offense to the comments made by Alan. I'm part of the so called entitled generation along with great young guys like Brett Speer, Mike Mans, and many others racing in stock and superstock today. I don't think I'm entitled to anything and I'm sure the great majority of the young racers today feel the same way. I bust my rear and have two jobs so I can enjoy S/SS racing and pay the bills. I also have a wonderful wife that accepts my passion and helps anyway she can. If class racing as we know it is going to exist beyond the next ten years it's going to take my generation to keep it alive.

Now to get to the cars. I love the new cars and involvement. However I do think the powers that be pulled a fast one on all of us. I don't remember who pointed out the comparison between the 2007 and 2009 Chrysler figures but it's essentially the same motor rated far less. The new car I'm building could possibly run against the Challenger in G. Will I lose? Probably. Is it fair? What is fair anymore.

I respect Bruce Nolands position. He poured a ton of money into a car that should be competitive. Only to find out it may all be for nothing. But also see the other side as well. The cars are legal and people will build them. I do know that trying to constantly change rules and how we should run this way or that way, probably isn't the best thing for class racing either. Nobody has all the answers and I most likely don't have any. That's my three cents worth.

Rick Ryan

[Alan Roehrich]

If the description does not fit you, then there's no reason at all for you to be offended, since it was quite obviously not directed at you, nor does it describe you. But it does fit a great deal of the later generations, I deal with them on a daily basis, and make no apologies for my assessment of their attitude and their agendas. People with that attitude will not save anything.

[JRyan]

You may deal with people like that on a daily basis. How many of them are directly related to the discussion of stock and superstock. That is what we're talking about, is it not. Not the people we all deal with on a day to day basis. I too deal with lots of people everyday in my job from multiple generations that could fit the description you made. But I don't generalize or point out the flaws in them or their generation esspecially in a place of public discussion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Sometimes peoples opinions should also be kept to themselves. That statement can go for me or anyone else in the world.
I never asked for an appology. Didn't expect one. Just offended by the generalization that the younger generation is essentially a bunch lazy crybabies. They are out there, but at least in the part of the country I'm in they are out numbered. Let's get back to the real topic at hand. If there is one.

Rick Ryan

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by JRyan

You may deal with people like that on a daily basis. How many of them are directly related to the discussion of stock and superstock. That is what we're talking about, is it not. Not the people we all deal with on a day to day basis. I too deal with lots of people everyday in my job from multiple generations that could fit the description you made. But I don't generalize or point out the flaws in them or their generation esspecially in a place of public discussion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Sometimes peoples opinions should also be kept to themselves. That statement can go for me or anyone else in the world.
I never asked for an appology. Didn't expect one. Just offended by the generalization that the younger generation is essentially a bunch lazy crybabies. They are out there, but at least in the part of the country I'm in they are out numbered. Let's get back to the real topic at hand. If there is one.

Rick Ryan

Rick, the comment was directed at who ever it was who told Bruce that he needed to move on, take his lumps, and let other people have their way. That attitude happens to be pretty common among the later generations.

[GUMP]

Do they have to build 50 of each combination for these to be legal or just 50 total?

I really wish that they had used a more "production" style motor in these cars.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Do they have to build 50 of each combination for these to be legal or just 50 total?

I really wish that they had used a more "production" style motor in these cars.

Years ago the number was 100 had to be built. I dont remember when it was reduced to 50. I think that is a major problem. If more were avaliable to the public then more would become race cars and they would have more of a chance to become factored sooner.

[jimi]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Rick, the comment was directed at who ever it was who told Bruce that he needed to move on, take his lumps, and let other people have their way. That attitude happens to be pretty common among the later generations.

with all the talk about these cars i think it is great to hear all of the opinions, this is what makes this type of racing great every one has a different angle and approach to there situation. but it does not exscuse the fact that there is still no factory production challenger engines on the books for the 2009 cars ! all of the engines are "crate engines" i cannot race my new 2009 rt 5.7 6 speed challenger with the components that chrysler built into the car for street car production use, i guess i will be able to race the old 62 maxwedge with a 500 ci maxwedge and 3705 carbs and a .520 lift cam and call it a 350 hp just because !

[Bruce Noland]

Is this one of the manifolds for the new Challenger?

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Is this one of the manifolds for the new Challenger?

Not with that elbow.