Hood Scoops to Comp

[Andrew Hill]

In no way am I saying that the modified indexes are not soft, but if you look at the cars that run fast in those classes, they have owners who spent enough money on them to run 1.20+ under with any decent combination (Guys like Arnie Martel, Jimmy DeFrank, James Caro, etc.). However, there are a lot of guys who run the modified classes that don't have cars that can run fast enough to be competitive in comp, and where would they go? It takes a fortune to run comp nowadays. In my opinion, the indexes for some of the classes (specifically the lower modified classes, modified stock classes, and modified experimental classes) need to be lowered based off their comp counterparts, for the ones that have them, but I think it would hurt the car count in Super Stock too much.

[CBS]

Being a beginner in this super stock thing....I wouldn't mind the faster cars out of super stock.....then ours would be the faster car more often....but given the current economic situation...any rule changes are not good...they just cost money....and nobody wants that....

I have always been a bracket racer mostly in s/g and s/c....but this class thing is a lot of fun....it consumes you....its all we think about...its a riot...and I have a 170 mph super gas car...............(we have a new challenger going together...SS/HA)

and for the guy that said the CJ's need a hit....in case nobody noticed...Brian Oakes and his awesome big block 69 camaro...handed our butt to us...that car is every bit as fast as we are........maybe someday we will get to run him....but until then we can verbally jab on the internet...(all in fun)......you don't do that bracket racing....

.....not to mention several rules added to the rule book for us...nice...spend more money

so leave the rules alone......

I like the little grey mustang with the hoodscoop anyway....

Rock Haas
SS/DA 08 CJ

[BPotts]

Why is everyone wanting to throw rocks at the hood scoop cars?? Is it just because of the looks and wanting SS to get back to it's roots or does every one just THINK because it has a hood scoop it's faster? I don't have a qualifying sheet in front of me, but if you were to take a sheet and block out the people that can spend big money, where would most of the modified cars fall on that list? The scoop car is NOT always, automatically the faster car. The honest reason why I have one is because I don't want to be subjected to tearing down like the true SS and GT cars have to and I certainly don't have the money to go run comp. So I guess I would be one of the ones that would just quit and I assume there are several out there just like me. Then, like Beard said, you've not helped comp at all and in the end you've just hurt the SS count. I remember counting one time and assuming everyone could run one second under the index (I can not by the way) SS/CS was just barely in the quickest half. It would also be interesting to see how big of a percentage of the true SS and GT cars run around one second under versus how many of the modified cars can do the same. OK, go ahead and beat me up....

[Don Kennedy]

Bpotts : there is or was a strong rumor going around that at one time the possibility that NHRA was thinking about moving the modified cars in Super Stock to Comp to increase the car count in Comp > Nothing more nothing less

[RPM5595]

Originally Posted by CBS

Being a beginner in this super stock thing....I wouldn't mind the faster cars out of super stock.....then ours would be the faster car more often....but given the current economic situation...any rule changes are not good...they just cost money....and nobody wants that....

I have always been a bracket racer mostly in s/g and s/c....but this class thing is a lot of fun....it consumes you....its all we think about...its a riot...and I have a 170 mph super gas car...............(we have a new challenger going together...SS/HA)

and for the guy that said the CJ's need a hit....in case nobody noticed...Brian Oakes and his awesome big block 69 camaro...handed our butt to us...that car is every bit as fast as we are........maybe someday we will get to run him....but until then we can verbally jab on the internet...(all in fun)......you don't do that bracket racing....

.....not to mention several rules added to the rule book for us...nice...spend more money

so leave the rules alone......

I like the little grey mustang with the hoodscoop anyway....

Rock Haas
SS/DA 08 CJ

I'm the guy that said the CJ's need a hit but I was referring to the Stockers. I should have specified. As for this comment , "Being a beginner in this super stock thing....I wouldn't mind the faster cars out of super stock.....then ours would be the faster car more often...."
I just don't understand why you and others think that other people should be punished or moved into another class just so you can have an easier time of it. Didn't you know that the Modified cars were in Super Stock when you built your car? As I said before I am a Ford Man and I'm glad to see the new CJ's involved but I don't like it when people start trying to change the class just to fit them better.

[RPM5595]

Originally Posted by BPotts

Why is everyone wanting to throw rocks at the hood scoop cars?? Is it just because of the looks and wanting SS to get back to it's roots or does every one just THINK because it has a hood scoop it's faster? I don't have a qualifying sheet in front of me, but if you were to take a sheet and block out the people that can spend big money, where would most of the modified cars fall on that list? The scoop car is NOT always, automatically the faster car. The honest reason why I have one is because I don't want to be subjected to tearing down like the true SS and GT cars have to and I certainly don't have the money to go run comp. So I guess I would be one of the ones that would just quit and I assume there are several out there just like me. Then, like Beard said, you've not helped comp at all and in the end you've just hurt the SS count. I remember counting one time and assuming everyone could run one second under the index (I can not by the way) SS/CS was just barely in the quickest half. It would also be interesting to see how big of a percentage of the true SS and GT cars run around one second under versus how many of the modified cars can do the same. OK, go ahead and beat me up....

Agree 100%

[billy leber]

people who spell brian wrong must also run comp, if he is a twin.

[Don Eckel 111]

Originally Posted by Don Kennedy

Don : You are a comp person do you think comp in the future is in a lack car count problem??

IMO, Comp is unique for a few reasons, and those are directly affecting the car counts. First is the money it costs to run it. I do it out of my own pocket, but many of the guys are business owners and we all know how the economy is affecting everyone right now. The second part may be class structuring. So many new ones in recent years and soft indexes to start, many of the lower qualified cars just parked from being beat up or not even qualifying. And maybe the last thing that chases alot of people off is maintenance and the effort to run one. It takes alot of time and patience to run a car in Comp, especially ones like mine or some of the oddball combos. It's not a make a pass and have a hot dog category, and you need crew help.
I think it would be a real reality check going from SS to Comp. Lets face it, once you qualify in SS, it becomes a bracket race, unless you have a heads up. So essentially, you don't need to have the best parts and keep up on constantly changing technology to win. Not so in Comp. It may seem attractive to be able to put a SS/Mod car in Comp, but when the factors above come into play, that's where the party ends. It's the only class I've ever raced in, never even bracket raced, made my 1st runs in the class I run now. I've seen many people come and go, and unfortunately more are going right now. Hopefully the trend reverses.

[Don Kennedy]

Don : good posts so what is the answer for comp if there really is a problem ? or am i just wrong about comp being in trouble ? i really like comp and other than Super Stock and Stock i watch comp by the way

[Brian Oakes]

LOL Hey Rock i know ya have alot more in that CJ LOL, the tongue was hanging out of that 427 on that run,anyway who had the Mustang at Rockingham testing a couple of weeks ago, was it RED or Silver, going 8.8 something LOL ,Brian