Update From Phoenix - Page 5

Don Kennedy · 03-01-2010, 06:40 PM

Jeff: call NHRA and ask them . Call Firebird and ask them to get your "facts" .. Call the Manufactor of the traction compound and ask him .

Andys dad · 03-01-2010, 07:32 PM

Oh I don't think so. You would not likely get any information, until they have all agreed on the press release.

This is too much of a hot potato - to not have all of their ducks in a row.

As I said prior to you (in my previous post) - nobody wanted this to happen.

As in our daily lives - we will get the news "facts" that the powers at be want us to have. Sort of - what is good for us to know. On a need to know basis - who really needs to know at this point.

I am sure all the key stakeholders (except the racers), will try to make sure this never happens again. We are certainly a key stakeholder but are not involved in the decision process.

Jody Lang · 03-02-2010, 12:38 AM

If the "compound" was really the problem here wouldn't traction right off the starting line be a huge problem?

The problems developed down track. The track is very bumpy and also has some kind of rut running length wise. Made it feel like a huge gust of wind was hitting you from the side.

They can spray the heck out of this surface later in the year and cars will still have a problem getting down it.

Chalk this up to the biggest F***ING waste of 2 weekends I've ever spent at a race track!

How about the "(insert class here) to the lanes" announcements? Everyone gets their cars warmed up and ready. 5 minutes later...ummm hold on guys we've changed our minds again. We're going to try to make honey out of a horse crap racing surface. We've tried and tried, but we're going to try again until another car hits the wall. Then we'll try and try again until another car hits the wall....rinse and repeat rinse and repeat.

Did we all think it was going to get better after the 1st weekend??? Guess so!!! There were plenty of us that came back. Did anything get done between the 1st and 2nd weekend??? Grinding, patching, anything??? They didnt know about the "compound" issue until Friday? Like Firebird has never had a problem getting cars down the track until this year.

Does anyone have an idea of how many sportsman cars wrecked at Firebird these last 2 weekends?

Jeff Stout · 03-02-2010, 12:43 AM

The reason for asking the question is because of the BS in this thread. So far it's been glue for NASCAR, VP, pj1, ph1, VHT, straight product over diluted ,25 percent over diluted. NHRA is wrong for requesting track to be stripped of all rubber.prostockers are wrong , Firbird employees are wrong. Track is broken apart. Like Andy stated I'm sure I won't get the right answer if I called. So much blame going around without any facts. Rumors and finger pointing going around it's silly. Once we get told what everyone wants to hear then the sheep will go right back to the slouder house. Banning together when muffler rule came about we won. Prostockers banned together and it worked for them. I hope the truth comes out and a intelligent decision can be made and racers will band together to make sure this will not happen again. It's our lives and money being put on the line.I've heard the phrase before" it's not there first rodeo"Alot of locals have expressed their feelings about conditio of track throughout the year.

blkjack · 03-02-2010, 07:24 PM

Steve Scheidker, Director of Marketing & Communications has issued this statement: “We want to confirm that VP's Lane Choice was not involved in any way. VP's Lane Choice traction compound has never been purchased or used at Firebird.” [03/02/10]

JEFF BURK SAYS IT WAS JP-1 TractionBite

CycloneFE · 03-02-2010, 09:02 PM

http://www.insidecompracing.com/showthread.php?t=4635

So does Mike Rice.

James Perrone · 03-03-2010, 09:03 AM

I was there and this was a Huge waste of time
I got to know WHY WAS THE NATIONAL EVENT CANCELLED
IN FAVOR OF A DIVISIONAL,,
That was the first JACKASS MOVE
Lets BE RAEL ..
The traction problem was also happening ON THE THURSDAY TEST SESSION.
Throttle stop cars COULD NOT MAKE IT DOWN JUST LIKE THE WEEKEND BEFORE,,
How can you Mike Rice as a directer not have seen this coming..
How can you continue to use the same STUFF OVER AND OVER WHEN IT WAS NOT WORKING..
Why was 1/8 mile racing not an option?
Who makes the CALL ON CANCELLING THE NATIONAL EVENT?
Was it about all the ENTRYS$$$FOR THE DIVISIONAL
Please someone TELL ME WHY A DIVISIONAL IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN A NATIONAL EVENT,???

Mickey Whaley · 03-03-2010, 09:43 AM

James the indian reservation wanted you to stay and play at the 3 6 limit tables.

Emmett Mikolajczyk · 03-03-2010, 10:36 AM

Hey--If it means anything- I was there for both races and I walked the track and the asphalt beyond the 1000' concrete appeared to me to be 25 years old and deteroiated--the more they worked it the worse it got--the rain water was able to penetrate through the cracks and holes in the surface and caused the old asphalt to come apart--I lay asphalt for a living -appx 100,000 tons a year - if I was a betting man I would bet that there will be new asphalt on the big end before they hold another Pro race--thanks--Emmett

W J · 03-03-2010, 10:45 AM

There is the best answer regarding all that we've heard regarding the Phoenix events, national and divisonal....Spoken from someone who is in the trade. (asphalt paving) Thank you, Emmett. WJ

03-01-2010, 06:40 PM	#41
Don Kennedy VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Portland TN Posts: 1,590 Likes: 3,876 Liked 902 Times in 237 Posts	Re: Update From Phoenix Jeff: call NHRA and ask them . Call Firebird and ask them to get your "facts" .. Call the Manufactor of the traction compound and ask him . __________________ Don Kennedy 7701 SS

03-01-2010, 07:32 PM	#42
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Re: Update From Phoenix Oh I don't think so. You would not likely get any information, until they have all agreed on the press release. This is too much of a hot potato - to not have all of their ducks in a row. As I said prior to you (in my previous post) - nobody wanted this to happen. As in our daily lives - we will get the news "facts" that the powers at be want us to have. Sort of - what is good for us to know. On a need to know basis - who really needs to know at this point. I am sure all the key stakeholders (except the racers), will try to make sure this never happens again. We are certainly a key stakeholder but are not involved in the decision process. __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham Last edited by Andys dad; 03-01-2010 at 07:44 PM.

03-02-2010, 12:38 AM	#43
Jody Lang Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 306 Likes: 28 Liked 89 Times in 28 Posts	Re: Update From Phoenix If the "compound" was really the problem here wouldn't traction right off the starting line be a huge problem? The problems developed down track. The track is very bumpy and also has some kind of rut running length wise. Made it feel like a huge gust of wind was hitting you from the side. They can spray the heck out of this surface later in the year and cars will still have a problem getting down it. Chalk this up to the biggest F***ING waste of 2 weekends I've ever spent at a race track! How about the "(insert class here) to the lanes" announcements? Everyone gets their cars warmed up and ready. 5 minutes later...ummm hold on guys we've changed our minds again. We're going to try to make honey out of a horse crap racing surface. We've tried and tried, but we're going to try again until another car hits the wall. Then we'll try and try again until another car hits the wall....rinse and repeat rinse and repeat. Did we all think it was going to get better after the 1st weekend??? Guess so!!! There were plenty of us that came back. Did anything get done between the 1st and 2nd weekend??? Grinding, patching, anything??? They didnt know about the "compound" issue until Friday? Like Firebird has never had a problem getting cars down the track until this year. Does anyone have an idea of how many sportsman cars wrecked at Firebird these last 2 weekends?

03-02-2010, 12:43 AM	#44
Jeff Stout VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: phoenix Posts: 1,486 Likes: 66 Liked 704 Times in 281 Posts	Re: Update From Phoenix The reason for asking the question is because of the BS in this thread. So far it's been glue for NASCAR, VP, pj1, ph1, VHT, straight product over diluted ,25 percent over diluted. NHRA is wrong for requesting track to be stripped of all rubber.prostockers are wrong , Firbird employees are wrong. Track is broken apart. Like Andy stated I'm sure I won't get the right answer if I called. So much blame going around without any facts. Rumors and finger pointing going around it's silly. Once we get told what everyone wants to hear then the sheep will go right back to the slouder house. Banning together when muffler rule came about we won. Prostockers banned together and it worked for them. I hope the truth comes out and a intelligent decision can be made and racers will band together to make sure this will not happen again. It's our lives and money being put on the line.I've heard the phrase before" it's not there first rodeo"Alot of locals have expressed their feelings about conditio of track throughout the year. Last edited by Jeff Stout; 03-02-2010 at 10:26 AM. Reason: More

03-02-2010, 07:24 PM	#45
blkjack Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Belle Vernon, PA Posts: 288 Likes: 26 Liked 55 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Update From Phoenix Steve Scheidker, Director of Marketing & Communications has issued this statement: “We want to confirm that VP's Lane Choice was not involved in any way. VP's Lane Choice traction compound has never been purchased or used at Firebird.” [03/02/10] JEFF BURK SAYS IT WAS JP-1 TractionBite

03-02-2010, 09:02 PM	#46
CycloneFE Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Decatur Illinois Posts: 634 Likes: 0 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Update From Phoenix http://www.insidecompracing.com/showthread.php?t=4635 So does Mike Rice. Last edited by CycloneFE; 03-02-2010 at 09:23 PM.

03-03-2010, 09:03 AM	#47
James Perrone VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LONG ISLAND N.Y. Posts: 1,673 Likes: 3,363 Liked 1,805 Times in 423 Posts	Re: Update From Phoenix I was there and this was a Huge waste of time I got to know WHY WAS THE NATIONAL EVENT CANCELLED IN FAVOR OF A DIVISIONAL,, That was the first JACKASS MOVE Lets BE RAEL .. The traction problem was also happening ON THE THURSDAY TEST SESSION. Throttle stop cars COULD NOT MAKE IT DOWN JUST LIKE THE WEEKEND BEFORE,, How can you Mike Rice as a directer not have seen this coming.. How can you continue to use the same STUFF OVER AND OVER WHEN IT WAS NOT WORKING.. Why was 1/8 mile racing not an option? Who makes the CALL ON CANCELLING THE NATIONAL EVENT? Was it about all the ENTRYS$$$FOR THE DIVISIONAL Please someone TELL ME WHY A DIVISIONAL IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN A NATIONAL EVENT,??? __________________ james perrone 1290 STK

03-03-2010, 09:43 AM	#48
Mickey Whaley VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,220 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Update From Phoenix James the indian reservation wanted you to stay and play at the 3 6 limit tables.

03-03-2010, 10:36 AM	#49
Emmett Mikolajczyk Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Antonio Texas Posts: 38 Likes: 0 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Update From Phoenix Hey--If it means anything- I was there for both races and I walked the track and the asphalt beyond the 1000' concrete appeared to me to be 25 years old and deteroiated--the more they worked it the worse it got--the rain water was able to penetrate through the cracks and holes in the surface and caused the old asphalt to come apart--I lay asphalt for a living -appx 100,000 tons a year - if I was a betting man I would bet that there will be new asphalt on the big end before they hold another Pro race--thanks--Emmett __________________ Emmett Mikolajczyk 4924 STK, SS

03-03-2010, 10:45 AM	#50
W J Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Paxton, Massachusetts Posts: 638 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Update From Phoenix There is the best answer regarding all that we've heard regarding the Phoenix events, national and divisonal....Spoken from someone who is in the trade. (asphalt paving) Thank you, Emmett. WJ