Lack of integrity - Page 5

davidhuff · 09-03-2010, 03:25 PM

I see every ones point of view and understand it cost $100,000 plus to build a new CJ or DP and understand that it is not cheap to race in those classes.What do you guys think John Calverts A/S FAIRLANE is worth?I am sure this is no cheap ride.

Ed Carpenter · 09-03-2010, 03:37 PM

Can you go to the showroom and buy one of these CJ/DP? The reason I ask is if you can't that is called a crate motor. We all know how much NHRA guys hate crate motor cars!! LOL

I don't know that's why I'm asking.

Bobby Zlatkin · 09-03-2010, 03:40 PM

I agree with Mike F. Can't blame Ford or Chrysler or any of the car's owners.
Total responsibility for this whole fiascal falls on NHRA's shoulders and their "I don't give a $h_t attitude" toward those sportsman racers that have supported them all through the years.
Either get them (DP/CJ) in their own class or get the HP ratings right and this whole thing will be fun again.

W J · 09-03-2010, 03:51 PM

While we're on the subject, how much do you think it costs to put one of the SS/AH cars together?? And how close do you think these cars are parts-wise and spec-wise (suspension pieces, etc.) to the originals? Showroom floor?? Yeah, right....Leave the new cars alone....they're creating a ton of interest and bringing more people into the stands to watch stock and superstock racing than you've had there for 20 years.....there's a place for NEW and OLD in this sport. "Feed them and let them all run." WJ

MikeFicacci · 09-03-2010, 04:44 PM

The new cars are cool and do belong on the racetrack. I think the suggestion most guys are making is to put them in their own class until they get closer to a realistic factor. The Challengers just went 1.7 under the old index in 4,000 feet of air. That's probably over 2 seconds under the old index in decent air.

By the second round of class, the only cars left are the CJ/DPs. I really don't see how separating things for a few years is that big of a deal. There are close to 30 of these cars at Indy.

Secondly, I see a lot of people going after Danny Gracia or Bruce for this but knowing a little bit about how all this went down, these orders came from higher up the food chain. Also, you can't blame Ford or Dodge for submitting a low horsepower factor and hoping it gets approved. Who wouldn't do the same thing in their position?

The guys who have spent countless hours on their combinations are getting screwed by NHRA brass. There is no way around it. Our East Coast Stock Superstock races pull 40-50-60 cars/divisionals are almost always full. I say we get our own thing going if NHRA doesn't care about us.

Bruce Noland · 09-03-2010, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by W J

While we're on the subject, how much do you think it costs to put one of the SS/AH cars together?? And how close do you think these cars are parts-wise and spec-wise (suspension pieces, etc.) to the originals? Showroom floor?? Yeah, right....Leave the new cars alone....they're creating a ton of interest and bringing more people into the stands to watch stock and superstock racing than you've had there for 20 years.....there's a place for NEW and OLD in this sport. "Feed them and let them all run." WJ

I believe you are mistaken. Are you a class racer? What class?

Sean Cour · 09-03-2010, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by W J

While we're on the subject, how much do you think it costs to put one of the SS/AH cars together?? And how close do you think these cars are parts-wise and spec-wise (suspension pieces, etc.) to the originals? Showroom floor?? Yeah, right....Leave the new cars alone....they're creating a ton of interest and bringing more people into the stands to watch stock and superstock racing than you've had there for 20 years.....there's a place for NEW and OLD in this sport. "Feed them and let them all run." WJ

The difference between the SS/AH cars and the new cars is that the AH cars have their own class. I think the new cars are great for interest, but not for the customer. NHRA needed to get these factors a little more in line than the joke of a factor they have right now.

W J · 09-03-2010, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

I believe you are mistaken. Are you a class racer? What class?

Bruce, I haven't been on the track since 2005....but I started in 1964. What I said, and what I say here, is my opinion, and my opinion only....

Warren Lederer. WJ

X-TECH MAN · 09-03-2010, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by W J

While we're on the subject, how much do you think it costs to put one of the SS/AH cars together?? And how close do you think these cars are parts-wise and spec-wise (suspension pieces, etc.) to the originals? Showroom floor?? Yeah, right....Leave the new cars alone....they're creating a ton of interest and bringing more people into the stands to watch stock and superstock racing than you've had there for 20 years.....there's a place for NEW and OLD in this sport. "Feed them and let them all run." WJ

Between $150,000 and $200,000 depending on how much you can do yourself.

X-TECH MAN · 09-03-2010, 08:39 PM

[QUOTE=MikeFicacci;

The guys who have spent countless hours on their combinations are getting screwed by NHRA brass. There is no way around it. Our East Coast Stock Superstock races pull 40-50-60 cars/divisionals are almost always full. I say we get our own thing going if NHRA doesn't care about us.[/QUOTE]

My suggestion is to email and/or call Alex D. and pester him.....lol. He will probably kill me for saying this. He really knows whats involved in something like this. We were heading this way a couple of years ago before the economy tanked. If it had been tried then it would have been financial suicide. Maybe the timing might be better this time around? Its a possability there might (and its a big maybe) be another USCN next year depending on how things work out. Ya never know ! There is so very much to consider and do with such an undertaking as that. Lots of details and liability involved. I know if Im involved the new stuff (DP's and CJs) will be in thier own class or have a bunch of HP tagged onto them if it happens. If certain ones can no longer make stock then so be it. Super Stock it will be for them. You cant have another INDY class race happen such as we all just saw. Id love to see some certain NHRA guys help out if it happened but its highly doubtful as in the case during the USCN #1. It was thier loss. Just my opinion and 2 1/2 cents worth.

09-03-2010, 03:25 PM	#41
davidhuff Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 928 Likes: 1 Liked 120 Times in 42 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity I see every ones point of view and understand it cost $100,000 plus to build a new CJ or DP and understand that it is not cheap to race in those classes.What do you guys think John Calverts A/S FAIRLANE is worth?I am sure this is no cheap ride.

09-03-2010, 03:37 PM	#42
Ed Carpenter Live Reporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dripping Springs, Tx Posts: 2,709 Likes: 186 Liked 520 Times in 132 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity Can you go to the showroom and buy one of these CJ/DP? The reason I ask is if you can't that is called a crate motor. We all know how much NHRA guys hate crate motor cars!! LOL I don't know that's why I'm asking. __________________ Ed Carpenter 2005 Chevy Cobalt A/SM Race Engine Development

09-03-2010, 03:40 PM	#43
Bobby Zlatkin Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mills River, NC Posts: 417 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity I agree with Mike F. Can't blame Ford or Chrysler or any of the car's owners. Total responsibility for this whole fiascal falls on NHRA's shoulders and their "I don't give a $h_t attitude" toward those sportsman racers that have supported them all through the years. Either get them (DP/CJ) in their own class or get the HP ratings right and this whole thing will be fun again. __________________ Bobby & Norene Zlatkin L/SA

09-03-2010, 03:51 PM	#44
W J Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Paxton, Massachusetts Posts: 638 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity While we're on the subject, how much do you think it costs to put one of the SS/AH cars together?? And how close do you think these cars are parts-wise and spec-wise (suspension pieces, etc.) to the originals? Showroom floor?? Yeah, right....Leave the new cars alone....they're creating a ton of interest and bringing more people into the stands to watch stock and superstock racing than you've had there for 20 years.....there's a place for NEW and OLD in this sport. "Feed them and let them all run." WJ

09-03-2010, 04:44 PM	#45
MikeFicacci Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 242 Likes: 1 Liked 19 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity The new cars are cool and do belong on the racetrack. I think the suggestion most guys are making is to put them in their own class until they get closer to a realistic factor. The Challengers just went 1.7 under the old index in 4,000 feet of air. That's probably over 2 seconds under the old index in decent air. By the second round of class, the only cars left are the CJ/DPs. I really don't see how separating things for a few years is that big of a deal. There are close to 30 of these cars at Indy. Secondly, I see a lot of people going after Danny Gracia or Bruce for this but knowing a little bit about how all this went down, these orders came from higher up the food chain. Also, you can't blame Ford or Dodge for submitting a low horsepower factor and hoping it gets approved. Who wouldn't do the same thing in their position? The guys who have spent countless hours on their combinations are getting screwed by NHRA brass. There is no way around it. Our East Coast Stock Superstock races pull 40-50-60 cars/divisionals are almost always full. I say we get our own thing going if NHRA doesn't care about us. __________________ Mike Ficacci Stk 1010

09-03-2010, 08:39 PM	#50
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity [QUOTE=MikeFicacci; The guys who have spent countless hours on their combinations are getting screwed by NHRA brass. There is no way around it. Our East Coast Stock Superstock races pull 40-50-60 cars/divisionals are almost always full. I say we get our own thing going if NHRA doesn't care about us.[/QUOTE] My suggestion is to email and/or call Alex D. and pester him.....lol. He will probably kill me for saying this. He really knows whats involved in something like this. We were heading this way a couple of years ago before the economy tanked. If it had been tried then it would have been financial suicide. Maybe the timing might be better this time around? Its a possability there might (and its a big maybe) be another USCN next year depending on how things work out. Ya never know ! There is so very much to consider and do with such an undertaking as that. Lots of details and liability involved. I know if Im involved the new stuff (DP's and CJs) will be in thier own class or have a bunch of HP tagged onto them if it happens. If certain ones can no longer make stock then so be it. Super Stock it will be for them. You cant have another INDY class race happen such as we all just saw. Id love to see some certain NHRA guys help out if it happened but its highly doubtful as in the case during the USCN #1. It was thier loss. Just my opinion and 2 1/2 cents worth.