Make the Chevrolet Win

[Greg Hill]

Originally Posted by Dave Crysler

Greg, what are the hp numbers to push those three front ends? If the powers that be take the route of pro stock, like a common template that heads down the same dead end that ruined pro stock.

I don’t have a clue about the hp the three are making, although I would guess the Dodge is probably 50 or so better right now. One of our young engineers could probably weigh in on the aero stuff.

[Dave Crysler]

What I was asking is how much horsepower does it take to overcome the aero of the front ends. That was a common number used in pro stock until the template changed the actual shape of the different makes.

[Coleydog]

When they start dictating these stupid rules, it takes away from the "run what ya brung" class. Start factoring in weights-HP, then it's just the regular bracket-Stock class, same ole same ole.
What's really pissing them off is Dodge could be the first in the 7s (legally) and not their money cows.

[David Barton]

Originally Posted by Coleydog

Doesn't the F in FS mean factory? Don't blame Dodge if GM doesn't give support to their racers. If you don't have a pocketbook, stay away from this class.

Yes, the "F" does mean Factory, and that's why the Dodge's shouldn't be racing that combination. Most of you don't know that this combination didn't exist in 2015. This combination never came in a "Factory" car. What they are racing today is so far from what the factory produced, it's not even funny.

The blocks and heads are not production based parts. You can't fit them onto a normal Hemi. It is a purpose built pro stock style block and heads.

They switched to a different blower, same as the COPO, and added a spacer for a better intercooler and air flow.

They cut the rad support out of the car, which is insane, and added a huge air intake scoop. The original cars came with nothing.

They lowered the engine, moved it back, shortened the driveshaft, and made custom motor and trans mounts. Again, nothing factory about that.

They use a remote water pump, unlike the factory cars.

They changed the hood altogether and modified it.

Don't get me wrong, the folks at Dodge, SRT, and Mopar did a fabulous job making all of these upgrades. But none of it should have been accepted as a Stock Eliminator car, especially 2.5 years late.

Bottom line is that they built an Outlaw Factory Stock car and the NHRA let them slip it in 2 years late. I don't care what their documents supposedly say. These parts absolutely did NOT exist in 2015 when these cars were produced. I know for a fact because I was involved in the beginning stages. I begged to buy anything they had for 2 years and gave up. We also had the first Supercharged Drag Pak that ever made it onto a track. There was no talk of any of these parts in existence. If they existed, don't you think we would have been racing them?

Just to give you an idea on how good the block and heads are, we gained 75 horsepower when we switched from the 2010 to 2015 426 Hemi. That's 100 more horsepower than what the COPO 427 is capable of. Same cubes, same valve size, same compression, same engine builder and tuner. Imagine what it can do with a blower on it?

[Dave Crysler]

Greg, the reason I asked was your statement that the Dodge was the worst by a fair amount , I guess David's comments takes it to another level, kind of like the Harley's in pro stock bike. Thanks to David for offering that info.

[Jeff Teuton]

David, David, David, I guess because you haven't outrun them lately now they need weight and you need to get some weight taken off. You think that thing you got came that way? Your ole Daddy tells me how many crates of parts Chevrolet sends you, and he tells me you can't get parts for a Dodge. Those are both quotes. From what I understand the Chevrolet you run is because yall couldn't get parts for the Dodges. Now I of all people understand the parts thing with Dodge. They got no parts unless you want a poster or something. Just cause they got out on you, don't get mad, get faster. You have the knowledge and the ability. This reminds me of Pro Stock when NHRA made everyone have the same weight pistons, rods, and other stuff as Greg Anderson. Sure didn't change much in Pro Stock. And you know how tricked out the other DSR Challenger is. You sold it to them. Maybe you should have kept it.

[David Barton]

Jeff, this whole deal is nothing new, I tried to have it all stopped a year ago before it got out of hand. But I don't have enough political power to make a difference. Now that it's proven they are fast maybe something can be done about it. It makes us look weak but I'm not afraid to admit that I can't find another 100 HP and 5 MPH out of a Stock Eliminator engine. It's just not possible with the limitations we have. We are at a huge disadvantage and it's simply not fair.

This has nothing to do with Chevrolet sending us parts. I don't even know why you are bringing that up because it is off topic here. You obviously just want to sling dirt on me as usual.

Just admit it, the Dodge's are running a bogus combination and you know it. I, on the other hand, am running the same engine that came in the car.

[Dave Crysler]

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[Mike Jones]

Does Joe Welch have the DSR stuff?
Mike A114

[Jeff Teuton]

I think Geoff Turk and the DSR cars have BES Power, Welch I think Mike Moran works for him or does his, and Chris Holbrook and Mike are close, and Roy does the motors on the car Allen Johnson drives which has shared ownership with me.