AH index's - Page 5

GATOR · 03-15-2019, 06:39 PM

Brian, you do realize how big of a baby you come off as. If they gave your combination in SS/BA or SS/JA horsepower back, you're asking for your combo only.
With SS/AH they gave EVERYONE in the class index back. Same as giving index back across the board in SS/BA and SS/JA to ALL cars in that class! You do realize the only place this matters is on the qualifying sheet, mainly at Indy where the fast AH cars went home and the AH cars that came to race went home also. Because they weren't qualified!!!!!!!!

And to cry about the SS/AA &BA Camaro not being soft??!! Doesn't Mr Armstrong (no Disrespect) own one of the fastest cars in SS/AA? Isnt it true the corvette took a hit (again Mr Armstrong) and cant run with the Camaro which is the reason He ( again Mr Armstrong) is building a Camaro? Because it is softer than the Vette which no one seems to be able to run with. Hats off to A&J Automotive as they race the old fashioned way. Walk "softly" and carry a big stick! You come down to div 4 and I will introduce myself and teach you some manners. Gator

Jim Caughlin · 03-15-2019, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GATOR

Brian, you do realize how big of a baby you come off as. If they gave your combination in SS/BA or SS/JA horsepower back, you're asking for your combo only.
With SS/AH they gave EVERYONE in the class index back. Same as giving index back across the board in SS/BA and SS/JA to ALL cars in that class! You do realize the only place this matters is on the qualifying sheet, mainly at Indy where the fast AH cars went home and the AH cars that came to race went home also. Because they weren't qualified!!!!!!!!

And to cry about the SS/AA &BA Camaro not being soft??!! Doesn't Mr Armstrong (no Disrespect) own one of the fastest cars in SS/AA? Isnt it true the corvette took a hit (again Mr Armstrong) and cant run with the Camaro which is the reason He ( again Mr Armstrong) is building a Camaro? Because it is softer than the Vette which no one seems to be able to run with. Hats off to A&J Automotive as they race the old fashioned way. Walk "softly" and carry a big stick! You come down to div 4 and I will introduce myself and teach you some manners. Gator

Hey Gator, Brian Oakes is a real racer and used his real name. Who are you? Pretty easy to criticize people when you don't even use you name.

Chuck Beach · 03-15-2019, 07:35 PM

I guess I don't understand why anyone (except someone who runs one) would care about the AH index. 1st of all the parts are hard to find and extremely expensive, unlike a small block chebbie. 2nd, most hemi guys in Div III go to the divisionals, make a pass and go home, they just want to get a grade point, they don't run the eliminator. 3rd there are only a few shops in the country that build competitive hemi's and I couldn't guess the price tag. 4th, Indy is the only place that you will have that many hemi's show up and most of them don't run the eliminator, they are just there for the chootout. Since there are not that many chootouts anymore I would imagine there will be less and less hemi's running. Keep in mind most SS indexes only got the .3 while the hemis got hit twice. When you look at Indy and there are over 20 cars in the same class and the fastest one doesn't make the top 1/2 of the field there might be a reason to look at the class.
2018 - 109 Wolkwitz
2017 - 64 Wolkwitz
2016 - 93 Hebert
2015 - 97 Wolkwitz
2014 - 101 Houser
2013 - 61 Westcott

GATOR · 03-15-2019, 07:35 PM

Mr Jim, if I post my NHRA number does that change any of the facts I stated.

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I was seriously contemplating a comeback in either comp or SS, but to be honest I don't really like what I see and hear here. I never minded throwing my hard earned $ at a problem, but buying motors and crying for hp off, fielding blocker cars to win a championship - thats not me. Yes I've set records, won NHRA races, hell even won class but - I looked in the mirror proud of my actions. Some people will never understand that. Carry on and disregard the facts. Give all the SS/JA & SS/BA Camaros hp back. That will make the world right again in NHRA

Brian Oakes · 03-16-2019, 08:44 AM

Well Mr GATOR or keyboard racer, you have no clue how the system works now days, IF you could get a car to go fast enough, maybe you could come back, but since ya don't have the balls to use your own name, we will never know if you did TRY to come back. and also you don't get the point, on how the AH got there index back, as they could have used the system and it would have worked. So until you get a car out here, stick with the keyboard, and anytime ya want to come to D1 or D2, bring your **** along. Brian

Bucky Hess · 03-16-2019, 08:07 PM

Does anyone get it that Nhra thought our index was 9:45? They think they only gave us .15

Spyphish · 03-16-2019, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucky Hess

Does anyone get it that Nhra thought our index was 9:45? They think they only gave us .15

Man they just forgot, it happens. I always use a rhyme to help. Like trig with a right triangle. "Oscar had a hunk of azz" Opposite over hypotenuse (sine) Adjacent over hypotenuse (cosine) Of azz Opposite over adjacent (tangent). That index wont last long, but like Beach said, who cares?

Dyno · 03-16-2019, 10:39 PM

A SS/AH car is run off the same weight break as a SS/AA car which has an index of 9.70. NHRA created the SS/AH index to prevent adding weight to the hemi cars when the hemi engine builder wars were on. The current index may be soft, but many hemi participants have had to run off a hard index for many years. I am sure there might be a small index adjustment before Indy this year, but the current adjustment is very justified. If anyone thinks this is an easy car to run, please jump in and join the clan. At Indy we have had the largest amount of participants of any class and the smallest number (percentage wise) of cars to qualify in the top 128. No one makes us run this class and many do because of wanting to keep this group alive after 50 years, but for the pride of saying you did it. Fast or slow.

Superfan1 · 03-17-2019, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucky Hess

Does anyone get it that Nhra thought our index was 9:45? They think they only gave us .15

I get it Bucky and I don't even race!

Bucky Hess · 03-17-2019, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Superfan1

I get it Bucky and I don't even race!

I believe you’re the only one

03-15-2019, 06:39 PM	#41
GATOR Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 53 Likes: 48 Liked 56 Times in 17 Posts	Re: AH index's Brian, you do realize how big of a baby you come off as. If they gave your combination in SS/BA or SS/JA horsepower back, you're asking for your combo only. With SS/AH they gave EVERYONE in the class index back. Same as giving index back across the board in SS/BA and SS/JA to ALL cars in that class! You do realize the only place this matters is on the qualifying sheet, mainly at Indy where the fast AH cars went home and the AH cars that came to race went home also. Because they weren't qualified!!!!!!!! And to cry about the SS/AA &BA Camaro not being soft??!! Doesn't Mr Armstrong (no Disrespect) own one of the fastest cars in SS/AA? Isnt it true the corvette took a hit (again Mr Armstrong) and cant run with the Camaro which is the reason He ( again Mr Armstrong) is building a Camaro? Because it is softer than the Vette which no one seems to be able to run with. Hats off to A&J Automotive as they race the old fashioned way. Walk "softly" and carry a big stick! You come down to div 4 and I will introduce myself and teach you some manners. Gator

03-15-2019, 07:35 PM	#43
Chuck Beach Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Delaware, Ohio Posts: 664 Likes: 12 Liked 58 Times in 13 Posts	Re: AH index's I guess I don't understand why anyone (except someone who runs one) would care about the AH index. 1st of all the parts are hard to find and extremely expensive, unlike a small block chebbie. 2nd, most hemi guys in Div III go to the divisionals, make a pass and go home, they just want to get a grade point, they don't run the eliminator. 3rd there are only a few shops in the country that build competitive hemi's and I couldn't guess the price tag. 4th, Indy is the only place that you will have that many hemi's show up and most of them don't run the eliminator, they are just there for the chootout. Since there are not that many chootouts anymore I would imagine there will be less and less hemi's running. Keep in mind most SS indexes only got the .3 while the hemis got hit twice. When you look at Indy and there are over 20 cars in the same class and the fastest one doesn't make the top 1/2 of the field there might be a reason to look at the class. 2018 - 109 Wolkwitz 2017 - 64 Wolkwitz 2016 - 93 Hebert 2015 - 97 Wolkwitz 2014 - 101 Houser 2013 - 61 Westcott __________________ Chuck Beach 3340 STK

03-15-2019, 07:35 PM	#44
GATOR Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 53 Likes: 48 Liked 56 Times in 17 Posts	Re: AH index's Mr Jim, if I post my NHRA number does that change any of the facts I stated. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I was seriously contemplating a comeback in either comp or SS, but to be honest I don't really like what I see and hear here. I never minded throwing my hard earned $ at a problem, but buying motors and crying for hp off, fielding blocker cars to win a championship - thats not me. Yes I've set records, won NHRA races, hell even won class but - I looked in the mirror proud of my actions. Some people will never understand that. Carry on and disregard the facts. Give all the SS/JA & SS/BA Camaros hp back. That will make the world right again in NHRA

03-16-2019, 08:44 AM	#45
Brian Oakes Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 571 Likes: 2 Liked 422 Times in 116 Posts	Re: AH index's Well Mr GATOR or keyboard racer, you have no clue how the system works now days, IF you could get a car to go fast enough, maybe you could come back, but since ya don't have the balls to use your own name, we will never know if you did TRY to come back. and also you don't get the point, on how the AH got there index back, as they could have used the system and it would have worked. So until you get a car out here, stick with the keyboard, and anytime ya want to come to D1 or D2, bring your **** along. Brian

03-16-2019, 08:07 PM	#46
Bucky Hess Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bunker Hill Posts: 182 Likes: 69 Liked 151 Times in 23 Posts	Re: AH index's Does anyone get it that Nhra thought our index was 9:45? They think they only gave us .15 __________________ Bucky Hess 1426 SS/AH

03-16-2019, 10:39 PM	#48
Dyno Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 916 Likes: 1,139 Liked 685 Times in 204 Posts	Re: AH index's A SS/AH car is run off the same weight break as a SS/AA car which has an index of 9.70. NHRA created the SS/AH index to prevent adding weight to the hemi cars when the hemi engine builder wars were on. The current index may be soft, but many hemi participants have had to run off a hard index for many years. I am sure there might be a small index adjustment before Indy this year, but the current adjustment is very justified. If anyone thinks this is an easy car to run, please jump in and join the clan. At Indy we have had the largest amount of participants of any class and the smallest number (percentage wise) of cars to qualify in the top 128. No one makes us run this class and many do because of wanting to keep this group alive after 50 years, but for the pride of saying you did it. Fast or slow.