**Final decision on two-step usage**

[LNorton]

Originally Posted by tgriffith

no biggie Mark,,,racers dont like me giving away secrets,,,,But I am suprised clutch man wouldnt be in favor of doing way with buttons/2steps for automatics,,,,that way he could go back to winning consistently in stock

clutch,,your rite,,,I have had no success at nationals ,,, absolutley none,,,,was completely out of my elements,,,but that still doesnt change the facts of what Im posting,,,you know it and so do I,,,,,,racers somehow are getting info as they are moving down the track,,,,,,whether its legal??? whether its a guess??? who knows.....

this deserves a true message board response:

LOL

[Robert Pare Racing]

..there is more to life than winning a NHRA National event.

[keith ohanesian]

Its getting to easy to change all these rules.. We should vote on radial tires, headers and so on. The most important thing we should be voting on are our officials. We support this racing with OUR POCKETS and they tell us what we can do. NO its time that we should vote on our Tech directors, SPORTSMAN REP, Division directors and on. Lets start from the top and weed these people out that are killing our sport!

[Michael Beard]

Thats right to much bs like t grfiffith, who is he? when was the last time he raced?????? the people starting stuff have never won anything just cry baby stuff all the time from no name racers that have never won a NHRA National event! or a ihra event.

LMAO! Wow, that's almost as good as when 'smokey' tried to tear down Adger Smith! This one's so funny it's not even offensive! LOL And actually, most of the people involved in this discussion have won a LOT. Seems to me that there are just as many people on the other side of the fence that don't have very full resumes -- BUT, that to me doesn't discount YOUR opinion either... if only you would express one.

It still amazes me that some people feel the need to make personal attacks (incredibly incorrect and uninformed ones at that!) when they have nothing constructive to add to a debate.

Kenny Miele (congrats on your recent win!) and Evan Smith have actually expressed their opinions and supported the reasons for their arguments. I respect that.

While I think Tim's outlook on things is a bit gloomier than things really are, the things he's talking about *are* contributing factors. But Tim, if you look at Footbrake, you're seeing the same thing, even without the electronics. Everybody keeps going faster, and keeps driving better as time goes by.

The debate is more of an intellectual exercise to me than anything. I don't much care what's in the other lane. Delay box cars taste like chicken.

[keith ohanesian]

Mike enough is enough with u. Leave your ihra out of our nhra. Some of our officials are not smart enough to know your opinions come from the other side.

[tgriffith]

""""Everybody keeps going faster""""

mike,,,get this,,,,a racer was telling me sat that at a track just up the road from MM,,,he was down to 11 and out of the other 10,,,,5.98 was the slowest,,,,said there were 3 in the 5.5 range and one running 5.3`s,,,this is in footbrake,,,its not only just stock

[Michael Beard]

>>Mike enough is enough with u. Leave your ihra out of our nhra.

Like Tim, I have never sent a 'vote' to NHRA since I stopped racing with them. And last I checked, this is a Class Racing forum, not an NHRA forum.

>> Some of our officials are not smart enough to know your opinions come from the other side.

Then there's your problem, right there! LOL I don't buy that anyway, because many of them know me. I'm flattered (and bewildered) that you think I have any kind of pull with NHRA. Beyond that, my posts on the subject are speaking generally about Stock eliminator, not a particular sanctioning body. Y'all can do whatever you want!

[Billy Pires]

Originally Posted by sterling simmons jr

Most of you who are complaining are IHRA racers anyway. So why are you worried about NHRA rules? I prefer to leave the rule as is. I don't think changing the rule will stop the people who are winning now because they are professional racers. Professional are usually good at what they do. Suck up your tears and lets race.

10/10 post Sterling, agreed 100%

[Billy Pires]

Originally Posted by LNorton

If you haven't noticed, this discussion is about the future of Stock Eliminator... which is also contested in IHRA, and IHRA follows NHRA's lead most of the time.

This is about the future of stock... in NHRA. It's really not NHRA's fault if IHRA copies all the rule changes. It sounds like a problem you might want to take up with whoever runs the show in IHRA.

[Billy Pires]

Originally Posted by keith ohanesian

Its getting to easy to change all these rules.. We should vote on radial tires, headers and so on. The most important thing we should be voting on are our officials. We support this racing with OUR POCKETS and they tell us what we can do. NO its time that we should vote on our Tech directors, SPORTSMAN REP, Division directors and on. Lets start from the top and weed these people out that are killing our sport!

This is true. How do these people get their jobs? They just seem to throw out idea's and people vote on them based on their OWN agenda, not what's really good for the sport.... IE. "i'm not cordinated enough to release my brake pedal when i release the button, so i like the rule change."