I'd just lke to shout a big THANK YOU to the racer - Page 5

GUMP · 12-16-2023, 07:13 PM

I am not against some of the "trigger cars" getting looked at. Including mine.

Tony Fagnilli · 12-16-2023, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

The one second under run shows the potential of the combination. Owners of slower cars with the same combination do not deserve welfare. They have been shown what's possible....

Welfare? I, along with Alex Simmons could run just as fast or faster than Ryan. We choose not to, to help save the average. I think you're missing the point of my post. We know the potential of our cars. We don't need to be shown, "what's possible.

GUMP · 12-17-2023, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony Fagnilli

Welfare? I, along with Alex Simmons could run just as fast or faster than Ryan. We choose not to, to help save the average. I think you're missing the point of my post. We know the potential of our cars. We don't need to be shown, "what's possible.

My comment was in no way directed at you...

Tony Fagnilli · 12-17-2023, 12:21 AM

Oh, I thought it was. Sorry

dean ribeiro · 12-17-2023, 08:56 AM

How did the 2015-2018 427 N/A Copo get hp in Stock?

J.R. Haddad · 12-17-2023, 12:36 PM

Dean, I only saw the 2016-2023 427/470/492 get HP. That one is eager
to figure. I didn't see any earlier 427's get HP in Stock.

J.R.

ken robinson · 12-17-2023, 03:40 PM

Mr PJ305 the -860 under was just there average over all , and if it is over -850 it gets HP . The amount of HP was off there fastest run what was in the -1.00 column . That's how I read the new system rules . I still wonder how many combos had an average of -849 ?

John Osborne · 12-17-2023, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich67stang

Since we are sharing Thank You during this Holiday season. To ALL 428 FE racers: I Do Not see any 428 FE National Event winners nor LODRS winners this season. (Correct me if I am wrong as they deserve congrats). Other than a Win, INDY Class, LODRS event Class, what is the reason to run hard, just to add weight to break more parts?
Stupid.

IMO, If you don't win, Who cares how fast you lost 1st Round.

What about Ben Line? He won Stock at the Lucas Oil Nationals with his 69 Mustang with a 428!

Frank Castros · 12-18-2023, 12:27 PM

Tony,
With all due respect.
Why then did you pick a COPO FS/AA with an index of 9.40?
Maybe a AA/SA '69 Camaro would have been a better choice.
Just an observation and not a criticism.
Frank

bsimms89 · 12-18-2023, 12:58 PM

I was a few of those -.6 and -.7 under runs (car N189), I was trying to help our averages, but I didn't know just how many runs more than .85 under had been made. Shame was I was at 7 races this year, but 3 were national opens, 1 was Indy, and the 3 divisionals were at the beginning of the season and at the first one I was troubleshooting computer issues and only had qualifying, at my second one at Lebanon Valley my flex plate decided to lose a few teeth and not start when I was the next car up in the staging lanes in round 1, and at Numidia I was dialing low 8.70s which would be -.70 under, but wound up on the breaks at the finish line seeing I was catching the other cars leading to me running a little slower than 8.75 so those few rounds didn't count. That actually happened round 1 against you Billy, I was dialed 8.72 and ran 8.78 so that run and my other elimination runs at the Numidia divisional aren't counted in the averages because I was just slightly too slow.

Honestly I don't care about the weight increase, I've been running the car heavy since I've had it to try to keep it slower, so I wont be adding any weight even with their hp increase. I think we need our index lowered in our class, or for them to make a FS/AAA with a lower index and weight break. Our natural class now doesn't exist, our hp to shipping weight ratio is 5.31, FS/AA is 5.50-5.99

Again I don't care about the weight added I just want to stay legal in stock, if we get hit again we'll have to weigh so much we won't be legal with our chassis certification. And like Tony said we could run that fast if we wanted to, just look at Indy, so could all the cobra jets, I know one cobra jet racer who has ran 8.04 at a national open, every car in our class is underrated, just there are more of us in the COPO than most the other cars so it's easier for them to play the game when they're the only one or one of 2 running their combo.

I hope they give us a FS/AAA with a weight break of 5.00-5.49 with a lower index, or do something with our current index.

12-16-2023, 07:13 PM	#41
GUMP VIP Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Shelby, NC Posts: 1,823 Likes: 2,166 Liked 2,354 Times in 554 Posts	Re: I'd just lke to shout a big THANK YOU to the racer I am not against some of the "trigger cars" getting looked at. Including mine. __________________ Daren Poole-Adams NHRA Stock/SS 2007

12-17-2023, 12:21 AM	#44
Tony Fagnilli Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 95 Likes: 95 Liked 205 Times in 44 Posts	Re: I'd just lke to shout a big THANK YOU to the racer Oh, I thought it was. Sorry

12-17-2023, 08:56 AM	#45
dean ribeiro Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: candia, nh Posts: 517 Likes: 58 Liked 235 Times in 75 Posts	Re: I'd just lke to shout a big THANK YOU to the racer How did the 2015-2018 427 N/A Copo get hp in Stock?

12-17-2023, 12:36 PM	#46
J.R. Haddad Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 785 Likes: 939 Liked 1,467 Times in 307 Posts	Re: I'd just lke to shout a big THANK YOU to the racer Dean, I only saw the 2016-2023 427/470/492 get HP. That one is eager to figure. I didn't see any earlier 427's get HP in Stock. J.R.

12-17-2023, 03:40 PM	#47
ken robinson Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: tomsriver nj Posts: 479 Likes: 74 Liked 215 Times in 86 Posts	Re: I'd just lke to shout a big THANK YOU to the racer Mr PJ305 the -860 under was just there average over all , and if it is over -850 it gets HP . The amount of HP was off there fastest run what was in the -1.00 column . That's how I read the new system rules . I still wonder how many combos had an average of -849 ?

12-18-2023, 12:27 PM	#49
Frank Castros VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Lowcountry. Posts: 2,974 Likes: 2,586 Liked 2,725 Times in 961 Posts	Re: I'd just lke to shout a big THANK YOU to the racer Tony, With all due respect. Why then did you pick a COPO FS/AA with an index of 9.40? Maybe a AA/SA '69 Camaro would have been a better choice. Just an observation and not a criticism. Frank

12-18-2023, 12:58 PM	#50
bsimms89 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 71 Likes: 30 Liked 71 Times in 20 Posts	Re: I'd just lke to shout a big THANK YOU to the racer I was a few of those -.6 and -.7 under runs (car N189), I was trying to help our averages, but I didn't know just how many runs more than .85 under had been made. Shame was I was at 7 races this year, but 3 were national opens, 1 was Indy, and the 3 divisionals were at the beginning of the season and at the first one I was troubleshooting computer issues and only had qualifying, at my second one at Lebanon Valley my flex plate decided to lose a few teeth and not start when I was the next car up in the staging lanes in round 1, and at Numidia I was dialing low 8.70s which would be -.70 under, but wound up on the breaks at the finish line seeing I was catching the other cars leading to me running a little slower than 8.75 so those few rounds didn't count. That actually happened round 1 against you Billy, I was dialed 8.72 and ran 8.78 so that run and my other elimination runs at the Numidia divisional aren't counted in the averages because I was just slightly too slow. Honestly I don't care about the weight increase, I've been running the car heavy since I've had it to try to keep it slower, so I wont be adding any weight even with their hp increase. I think we need our index lowered in our class, or for them to make a FS/AAA with a lower index and weight break. Our natural class now doesn't exist, our hp to shipping weight ratio is 5.31, FS/AA is 5.50-5.99 Again I don't care about the weight added I just want to stay legal in stock, if we get hit again we'll have to weigh so much we won't be legal with our chassis certification. And like Tony said we could run that fast if we wanted to, just look at Indy, so could all the cobra jets, I know one cobra jet racer who has ran 8.04 at a national open, every car in our class is underrated, just there are more of us in the COPO than most the other cars so it's easier for them to play the game when they're the only one or one of 2 running their combo. I hope they give us a FS/AAA with a weight break of 5.00-5.49 with a lower index, or do something with our current index. Last edited by bsimms89; 12-18-2023 at 01:05 PM.