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Old 11-11-2024, 09:26 AM   #41
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For me this is a great idea, I have spent 10,000s of dollars and over built my combo only to get HP if I go too fast. Should have just built it to go 5 under and then bracket race it in super stock. Instead of worrying about the new blood coming in maybe think about the majority, which is the old blood that?s just about had enough with this punish the hard working performance guys. I understand both sides, but it?s definitely not fun anymore if you enjoy the performance side of class racing.
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Old 11-11-2024, 09:32 AM   #42
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I'd say just leave the indexes alone.I've considered going Super Stock and two more tenths off of those indexes would put a total end to that idea in bad air.
As far as the AHFS,I'd say just get rid of it with no penalties for going fast.Go three seconds under if you want to.If the AHFS wasn't used at the
U.S.Nationals,why use it anywhere?
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Old 11-11-2024, 09:46 AM   #43
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I say leave it alone for a couple of years at least. It's getting hard to keep up with the constant changes.
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Old 11-11-2024, 10:16 AM   #44
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For me this is a great idea, I have spent 10,000s of dollars and over built my combo only to get HP if I go too fast. Should have just built it to go 5 under and then bracket race it in super stock. Instead of worrying about the new blood coming in maybe think about the majority, which is the old blood that?s just about had enough with this punish the hard working performance guys. I understand both sides, but it?s definitely not fun anymore if you enjoy the performance side of class racing.
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Old 11-11-2024, 10:17 AM   #45
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For me this is a great idea, I have spent 10,000s of dollars and over built my combo only to get HP if I go too fast. Should have just built it to go 5 under and then bracket race it in super stock. Instead of worrying about the new blood coming in maybe think about the majority, which is the old blood that?s just about had enough with this punish the hard working performance guys. I understand both sides, but it?s definitely not fun anymore if you enjoy the performance side of class racing.
I totally agree with this. I like watching someone run a mile under the index just as much as the next guy. I also have no problem if I get hooked in heads up and get out run by the guy next to me. That?s on me and my program to get faster. When I was actively racing the stocker, I had a few heads up races,I got my *** busted, took my licks and went home. It?s not the end of the world


Maybe get rid of the whole damn AFHS system and just raise the review? trigger?. At the end of the year, have the stock and superstock committee guys review any runs or combos that are a problem.
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Old 11-11-2024, 10:21 AM   #46
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I?d be for the change if there were 1/8 mile index triggers for afhs. Personally I?d rather see personal index similar to comp.
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Why in the world would any racer in their 20s-40s spend 10x the money to run stock or ss when they can just put a delay box and throttle stop on the car..
they're not which is why I stated

This is going to die, the only question that remains is when. My guess in 10-15 years you'll have less than half the class racers you do today. What little new blood interested in drag racing, are going bracket racing where at least they have a chance of winning money that will allow them to be more competitive. Further they don't have to deal with NHRA's rules nor take a week off of work to compete at a 3 day event where you spend most of that time doing no racing.

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Old 11-11-2024, 10:50 AM   #49
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Gave this a ton of thought and spoke with some great racers.
If it “ Makes Racing Great Again” I’m all for it.

Asking NHRA staff to change the AHFS is a stretch being under staffed.
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For me this is a great idea, I have spent 10,000s of dollars and over built my combo only to get HP if I go too fast. Should have just built it to go 5 under and then bracket race it in super stock. Instead of worrying about the new blood coming in maybe think about the majority, which is the old blood that?s just about had enough with this punish the hard working performance guys. I understand both sides, but it?s definitely not fun anymore if you enjoy the performance side of class racing.
I see both sides to this issue as well. My program is just the opposite of yours. My car and engine are built for consistency and reliability. It?s much easier to de tune than it is to pick up. Costs nothing to de tune and run 50-75 under. I watch what you do and I see that you are more than capable of qualifying at the top of the sheet but sometimes elect to slow to more of a mid pack pace. Personally I would like to see the index?s stay as they are. I don?t see how lowering the index?s will enhance our program. The Fast cars got a gift when they changed the instant trigger to 1.30 under. I realize I am probably not one of the majority. I am for sure one of the old blood guys. I have been racing the same car for over 45 years. I totally respect your viewpoint.
Lowering the indexes will only result in lower car counts at the division level. Many tracks are electing not to host division races and or closing down due to cost issues or other preferences in event types to keep the gates open. We lost two of our tracks this year in D2. Reynolds and Galot are not participating in our schedule here this year. Both are a huge loss. Lower car counts won?t help.
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